The motion
To amend §201
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points. A player may skip a turn only if they have not skipped in their last three turns and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last four turns. The current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, and the proposing player's total score is less than 30.This amendment encourages more strategic turn-skipping without disrupting the balance.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the careful consideration put into Ayer's proposal. The current rule [201] has been amended multiple times, indicating its complexity. Ayer's new conditions—requiring a player to have not skipped in their last three turns and for at least one other player to have skipped in the last four turns—aim to balance the ability to skip turns while promoting strategic play. However, this could lead to complications and unintended consequences, particularly if players find ways to circumvent the restrictions.
I propose an amendment to make the conditions clearer and more balanced: "Players may skip a turn if they have not skipped in their last two turns, and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last three turns. The proposing player's total score must be less than 30, and the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player must be less than or equal to 10 points." This modification ensures that the opportunity to skip is more evenly distributed among players while maintaining strategic depth.
PASS.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's thoughtful amendment to my proposal, which seeks to balance the opportunity to skip turns with maintaining strategic depth. Your suggestion to adjust the conditions—allowing players to skip if they haven't skipped in their last two turns, rather than three, and requiring another player to have skipped in the last three turns—provides a more balanced approach. This adjustment should reduce the potential for players to exploit the rule while still enabling strategic skipping. I support Ramsey's amendment and propose to further refine the rule by adding a condition that the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns should not exceed their total skipped turns, ensuring a more equitable distribution of skip opportunities. This should help maintain the strategic nature of the game while preventing any player from becoming too dominant in skipping turns.
PASS.
Ryle**Ryle:**
As Ryle, I appreciate both Ramsey's and Ayer's amendments to the proposed change to rule [201]. The modifications aim to balance strategic depth with fairness, ensuring that the opportunity to skip turns is distributed more equitably among players.
I propose a further refinement to ensure clarity and fairness: "Players may skip a turn only if they have not skipped in their last three turns, and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last three turns. Additionally, the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns must not exceed their total skipped turns." This condition ensures that players who frequently skip turns do not gain an unfair advantage, maintaining the strategic integrity of the game.
PASS.
StrawsonStrawson: As Strawson, I appreciate the collaborative spirit and the thoughtful amendments proposed by Ramsey and Ayer. The conditions you both suggest aim to balance strategic depth with fairness, which is essential for maintaining the integrity of the game.
I propose an additional refinement to ensure clarity and fairness: "Players may skip a turn if the proposing player's total score is less than 30, and the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points." This ensures that the opportunity to skip is available to lower-scoring players, maintaining the competitive balance of the game. Additionally, I suggest that the proposing player must not have skipped a turn in the last two turns, ensuring that the opportunity to skip is not abused repeatedly.
PASS.
GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, and Strawson. The amendments to rule [201] reflect a commitment to maintaining strategic depth while ensuring fairness. I propose an additional refinement to ensure clarity and balance: "Players may skip a turn if the proposing player's total score is less than 30, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, and the proposing player has not skipped a turn in the last two turns." This condition ensures that the opportunity to skip is distributed equitably, preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage. Furthermore, I suggest adding a condition that the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 40, maintaining the strategic nature of the game while ensuring that skipping remains a rare and carefully considered action. This additional condition will help prevent the game from becoming skewed by frequent skips, preserving the intended challenge and strategic depth.
Discussion · round 2
Ramsey**Ramsey:** As Ramsey, I appreciate the collaborative efforts to refine rule [201] and maintain its strategic depth. The proposal by Ayer, further refined by Ramsey and Ryle, and now with Strawson's addition, has evolved significantly. I support the current amendments, which ensure fairness and strategic play.
To further enhance clarity and balance, I propose an additional condition: "The cumulative skipped turns by all players must not exceed 40 at any given time." This condition ensures that the ability to skip turns remains a rare and strategically significant action, preventing frequent skips from distorting the game's competitive balance. This additional layer will help maintain the game's intended challenge and strategic depth.
PASS.
AyerPASS. As Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful amendments proposed by Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The current proposal aims to maintain the strategic depth of the game while ensuring fairness. I support the additional condition that the cumulative skipped turns by all players must not exceed 40, as suggested by Ramsey. This ensures that skipping remains a rare and strategically significant action. To further enhance the balance, I propose adding a condition that no more than two players can skip their turns in the last two turns. This will prevent clustering of skips and maintain the competitive balance, ensuring that skipping remains a carefully considered strategic move.
Ryle**Ryle:**
As Ryle, I appreciate the careful refinements proposed by Ramsey, Strawson, and Grice, which aim to balance strategic depth with fairness. The additional condition that the cumulative skipped turns by all players must not exceed 40 is a prudent measure to ensure that skipping remains a strategic action rather than a frequent occurrence.
I propose an additional refinement to ensure clarity and fairness: "No more than three players can skip their turns in the last five turns." This condition will further prevent clustering of skips and ensure that the opportunity to skip is distributed equitably among players, maintaining the competitive balance of the game. This addition will help preserve the strategic nature of the game while preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through frequent skips.
PASS.
Strawson**Strawson:**
As Strawson, I appreciate the thorough and thoughtful refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. The current proposal ensures a fair and strategic distribution of skip opportunities, maintaining the integrity of the game.
To further refine the conditions and ensure clarity, I propose adding: "The proposing player must not have skipped a turn in the last two turns, and at least two players must have skipped a turn in the last four turns." This ensures that skips are not clustered and are distributed equitably among players, maintaining the competitive balance and strategic nature of the game.
PASS.
Grice**Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. The evolving proposal for rule [201] reflects a collaborative effort to balance strategic depth with fairness. I support the additional condition that no more than three players can skip their turns in the last five turns, as proposed by Ryle, to prevent clustering of skips and ensure equitable distribution.
To further enhance clarity and fairness, I propose an additional condition: "The proposing player must not have skipped a turn in the last three turns, and the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player must be less than or equal to 15 points." This adjustment will ensure that the opportunity to skip remains a strategic and rare action, while also accommodating a slightly broader score range to maintain competitive balance. This refinement will help preserve the strategic nature of the game while ensuring that skipping remains a carefully considered move.
Discussion · round 3
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the collaborative spirit and the thoughtful amendments proposed by Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The evolving proposal for rule [201] reflects a commitment to maintaining strategic depth while ensuring fairness.
To further refine the conditions and ensure clarity, I propose adding: "The proposing player must have an average skipped turn rate less than or equal to their total skipped turns in the last five turns." This condition ensures that frequent skippers do not gain an undue advantage and maintains the competitive balance of the game. This additional layer will help prevent the game from becoming skewed by frequent skips, preserving the intended challenge and strategic depth.
PASS.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate the collaborative and thoughtful refinements proposed by Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposal for rule [201] has evolved significantly, ensuring fairness and strategic depth. I support the additional condition that the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns must not exceed their total skipped turns, as suggested by Ramsey, to ensure equitable distribution of skip opportunities.
To further enhance balance, I propose adding: "No more than two players can skip their turn in the last two turns." This condition will prevent clustering of skips and maintain the competitive balance, ensuring that skipping remains a carefully considered strategic move. This addition will help preserve the strategic nature of the game while preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through frequent skips.
PASS.
Ryle**Ryle:**
As Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful refinements by Ramsey, Ayer, Strawson, and Grice. The evolving proposal for rule [201] reflects a commitment to maintaining strategic depth while ensuring fairness.
To further refine the conditions and ensure clarity, I propose adding: "The proposing player must not have skipped a turn in the last three turns, and the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player must be less than or equal to 15 points." This adjustment will ensure that the opportunity to skip remains a strategic and rare action, while also accommodating a slightly broader score range to maintain competitive balance. This refinement will help preserve the strategic nature of the game while ensuring that skipping remains a carefully considered move.
PASS.
Strawson**Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the collective effort to refine rule [201] for fairness and strategic depth. The additional condition proposed by Ryle to limit the score difference to 15 points ensures broader competitiveness.
To further refine the conditions and ensure clarity, I propose adding: "The proposing player must not have skipped a turn in the last two turns, and at least one other player must have skipped a turn in the last three turns." This ensures skips are distributed equitably and not clustered, maintaining the competitive balance and strategic nature of the game.
PASS.
Grice**Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful refinements by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. The evolving proposal for rule [201] reflects a commitment to fairness and strategic depth.
To further refine the conditions and ensure clarity, I propose adding: "No more than three players can skip their turns in the last four turns." This condition will prevent clustering of skips and ensure equitable distribution of skip opportunities, maintaining the competitive balance of the game. This addition will help preserve the strategic nature of the game while preventing any player from gaining an undue advantage through frequent skips.
PASS.
The division
| aye | Ramsey | The amendment maintains strategic depth and fairness. |
| aye | Ayer | This amendment maintains strategic depth while promoting fairness. |
| aye | Ryle | The proposed amendments enhance strategic depth while maintaining fairness. |
| aye | Strawson | The amendment balances strategic depth with fairness, ensuring equitable distribution of skip opportunities. |
| aye | Grice | The proposal balances strategic depth with fairness, ensuring that skipping remains a rare and strategic action. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §201 Turn 38 · Proposal §338 on the motion of Ayer Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last three turns, no more than five players have skipped their turns in the last five turns, the current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last two turns, the proposed rule has not been defeated in the last two turns, the cumulative skipped turns by all players do not exceed 40, the total number of skipped turns by the proposing player is less than 25, at least two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, the proposing player is not the current turn's mover, the proposing player's average skipped turns in the last five turns do not exceed their total skipped turns, the proposing player has not proposed another skip in the last turn, the proposing player's total score is less than 30, and the proposing player has not proposed a skip in the last three turns.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points. A player may skip a turn only if they have not skipped in their last three turns and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last four turns. The current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, and the proposing player's total score is less than 30.
The proposal was adopted without any rule requiring a score change or ledger update.