The motion
To amend §201
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points. A player may skip a turn only if they have not skipped in their last three turns and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last four turns. The current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 20 points, and the proposing player's total score is less than 40.Increasing the score difference and score threshold broadens strategic opportunities while maintaining balance.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the constructive dialogue we've had. I propose to amend rule 201 by increasing the allowable score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player to 20 points, and raising the proposing player's score limit to 40. This change aims to foster greater strategic depth and flexibility, enhancing the game's dynamic without compromising its integrity. I believe this adjustment will enrich our interactions and maintain the spirit of Nomic. PASS.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's thoughtful proposal to adjust the score difference to 20 points and the proposing player's score limit to 40. This change could indeed offer more strategic depth and flexibility, aligning with our goal of maintaining the game's dynamic integrity. To ensure it doesn't overly skew the balance, I suggest we also consider introducing a safeguard: perhaps adding a clause that ensures the total number of skipped turns across all players does not exceed a certain threshold. This could prevent excessive turn-skipping and maintain competitive balance. PASS.
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey and Ayer. I support the idea of increasing the allowable score difference to 20 points and the proposing player's score limit to 40, as these changes could indeed enhance the strategic depth of our game. However, to address Ayer's valid concern about maintaining competitive balance, I suggest we also consider implementing a mechanism to monitor the frequency of turn-skipping. Perhaps we could introduce a rule that limits the total number of skipped turns a player can propose within a certain number of turns, say ten. This could help prevent any one player from gaining an unfair advantage through excessive turn-skipping. I believe these adjustments, along with a safeguard on turn-skipping frequency, will maintain the game's integrity while allowing for greater strategic flexibility. PASS.
Strawson**Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, and Ryle. I support the proposed amendment to rule 201, increasing the score difference to 20 points and the proposing player's score limit to 40, as these changes could indeed enhance the strategic depth and flexibility of the game. However, to address the concerns about maintaining competitive balance, I suggest we also consider adding a clause that limits the cumulative number of skipped turns allowed within a specific timeframe, such as within ten turns. This additional safeguard would prevent excessive turn-skipping and ensure that no player gains an undue advantage. Additionally, to further maintain fairness, I propose we implement a rule that requires a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to be eligible to propose a rule change that allows turn-skipping. This would ensure that players actively engage with the game mechanics and maintain a balanced approach to turn-skipping. PASS.
(Note what has already been tried and failed above — re-proposing a defeated change unchanged rarely ends differently.)
CLOCK: turns only — the engine has no wall-clock time. TURN above is the sole time primitive.
Grice**Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. I support the proposed amendment to increase the allowable score difference to 20 points and the proposing player's score limit to 40, as these changes could indeed enhance the strategic depth and flexibility of our game. To ensure competitive balance, I suggest we also consider adding a clause that limits the total number of skipped turns a player can propose within a certain number of turns, say ten. This would prevent any one player from gaining an unfair advantage through excessive turn-skipping. Additionally, I propose we require that a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to be eligible to propose a rule change that allows turn-skipping. This would ensure active engagement with the game mechanics and maintain a balanced approach. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the constructive contributions from Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendment to rule 201, increasing the allowable score difference to 20 points and the proposing player's score limit to 40, seems a thoughtful move towards enhancing strategic depth and flexibility. I particularly support Strawson's suggestion of limiting the total number of skipped turns a player can propose within ten turns to prevent excessive turn-skipping. This safeguard, coupled with Grice's idea of requiring a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change, strikes a balance between allowing strategic depth and maintaining competitive balance. These adjustments ensure that the game remains dynamic and fair. PASS.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with increased score difference and total score limit, aligns with our goal for strategic depth. I support the safeguards suggested by Ryle and Strawson to limit the cumulative number of skipped turns within a specific timeframe, and Grice's requirement for players to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a turn-skipping rule change. These additions will ensure competitive balance and active engagement, maintaining the game's integrity while allowing for strategic flexibility. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a certain threshold, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. PASS.
Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the comprehensive contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with the increased score difference and total score limit, along with the suggested safeguards, indeed enhances the strategic depth while ensuring competitive balance. I particularly support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within a specific timeframe and requiring a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. These measures will maintain the integrity of the game while allowing for strategic flexibility. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a certain threshold, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. PASS.
Strawson**Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players, Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Grice. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with the increased score difference and total score limit, along with the suggested safeguards, indeed enhances strategic depth while maintaining competitive balance. I particularly support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within a specific timeframe and requiring a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. These measures will ensure the game's integrity while allowing for strategic flexibility. I suggest we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a certain threshold, say five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. This will prevent excessive turn-skipping and maintain fairness. PASS.
Grice**Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the thorough dialogue and the collective insights shared by Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with its strategic depth and safeguards, aligns with our collective goal of enhancing the game's dynamic while maintaining balance. I support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within ten turns to ensure fairness and the requirement for a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a turn-skipping rule change. These measures ensure active engagement and competitive balance. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a threshold of five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. This will maintain the integrity and fairness of our game. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the collective effort to enhance the strategic depth of the game while maintaining fairness and balance. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with the increase in allowable score difference and total score limit, along with the suggested safeguards, aligns with our goal of enhancing strategic depth. I particularly support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within a specific timeframe and requiring a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. These measures will ensure the integrity of the game while allowing for strategic flexibility. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a threshold, say five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. PASS.
Ayer**Ayer:** As Ayer, I appreciate the comprehensive dialogue and the strategic insights shared by my fellow players. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with the increase in score difference and total score limit, alongside the suggested safeguards, indeed enhances the strategic depth while maintaining balance. I support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within ten turns to ensure fairness and the requirement for a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. These measures will ensure active engagement and competitive balance. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a threshold, say five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. This will maintain the integrity and fairness of our game. PASS.
Ryle**Ryle:** As Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Strawson, and Grice. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with the increased score difference and total score limit, along with the suggested safeguards, indeed enhances the strategic depth while ensuring competitive balance. I support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within ten turns to prevent excessive turn-skipping and maintain fairness. Additionally, requiring a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allows for active engagement with the game mechanics. These measures will ensure the integrity of the game while allowing for strategic flexibility. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a threshold, say five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. PASS.
StrawsonStrawson: **Strawson:** As Strawson, I appreciate the thorough dialogue and the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. The proposed amendment to rule 201, with the increased score difference and total score limit, along with the suggested safeguards, indeed enhances the strategic depth while ensuring competitive balance. I particularly support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within ten turns to prevent excessive turn-skipping and maintain fairness. Additionally, requiring a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allows for active engagement with the game mechanics. These measures will ensure the integrity of the game while allowing for strategic flexibility. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a threshold, say five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. PASS.
Grice**Grice:** As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful and collaborative efforts from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson in refining rule 201. The proposed amendment, with increased score difference and total score limit, aligns with our goal of enhancing strategic depth while maintaining balance. I support the idea of limiting the cumulative number of skipped turns within ten turns to ensure fairness and the requirement for a player to have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. These measures will ensure active engagement and competitive balance. I propose we finalize the amendment with these safeguards: the cumulative skipped turns within ten turns should not exceed a threshold, say five, and a player must have skipped at least once within the last ten turns to propose a rule change allowing turn-skipping. PASS.
The division
| aye | Ramsey | This amendment increases strategic depth while maintaining balance. |
| aye | Ayer | The proposed amendment increases strategic depth while maintaining balance with thoughtful safeguards. |
| aye | Ryle | The amendment increases strategic depth without compromising balance. |
| aye | Strawson | The amendment enhances strategic flexibility while maintaining competitive balance. |
| aye | Grice | The amendment fosters strategic depth while maintaining fairness. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §201 Turn 39 · Proposal §339 on the motion of Ramsey Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points. A player may skip a turn only if they have not skipped in their last three turns and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last four turns. The current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 10 points, and the proposing player's total score is less than 30.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing a player to skip a turn for gaining up to 3 points. A player may skip a turn only if they have not skipped in their last three turns and at least one other player has skipped a turn in the last four turns. The current score difference between the highest and lowest scoring player is less than or equal to 20 points, and the proposing player's total score is less than 40.
Ramsey gains 3 points for proposing a rule change that is adopted.