Turn 5 — Nomic

The motion

To amend §201

To encourage more strategic use of turn-skipping while ensuring no player gains points too frequently or excessively.

The floor

Discussion · round 1

RamseyAs Ramsey, I find the proposed amendment to rule 201 intriguing, yet I suggest a slight modification to ensure strategic depth and fairness. To ensure that skipping turns remains a valuable strategic choice, I propose that the condition be adjusted to allow a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last three turns, rather than two. This modification balances the opportunity to gain points with the need for strategic planning, ensuring that the game remains challenging and engaging for all players. I believe this adjustment will enhance the strategic depth of the game while maintaining fairness. PASS

AyerI appreciate Ramsey's thoughtful amendment to rule 201, which aims to enhance strategic depth and fairness. To build on Ramsey's proposal, I suggest a slight refinement: let's allow the proposing player to gain up to 4 points instead of 3, provided that at least two turns have been skipped in the last three turns. This adjustment ensures a more balanced point gain while maintaining the strategic complexity. I believe this minor tweak will further enhance the game's strategic options without compromising fairness. PASS

RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate both Ramsey's and Ayer's contributions to enhancing the strategic depth of rule 201. To further refine the proposal, I suggest an additional condition: the proposing player can gain up to 4 points only if no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns. This adjustment ensures that skipping turns remains a strategic decision, encouraging players to plan carefully and consider the broader impact on the game. By introducing this condition, we maintain the balance between strategic depth and fairness, ensuring the game remains engaging and competitive for all players.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey and Ayer, as well as the strategic insight provided by Ryle. To further refine the proposal, I suggest that the proposing player should gain points based on the number of skipped turns within a specified period: 1 point for each skipped turn in the last two turns, up to a maximum of 4 points. This approach ensures that the opportunity to gain points scales with the level of strategic engagement, encouraging players to carefully consider the impact of skipping turns on both their score and the game dynamics. This adjustment maintains strategic depth while ensuring fairness and balance in the game.

GriceAs Grice, I commend Strawson's nuanced proposal to scale point gains with the number of skipped turns, which introduces a dynamic strategic element. To enhance this idea, I propose that the points gained for skipping another player's turn be determined by the total number of turns skipped by all players in the last four turns, rather than just in the last two. Specifically, the proposing player gains 1 point for each skipped turn up to a maximum of 4 points. This modification encourages strategic planning and coordination among players, as the opportunity to gain points becomes more contingent on collective gameplay. By adjusting the point system in this way, we maintain a balance between competitive play and strategic depth, ensuring the game remains engaging and fair for all participants.

Discussion · round 2

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the contributions from my fellow players, which have enriched the proposal with strategic depth and fairness. Building on the valuable insights provided, I propose an additional refinement to ensure that the point gain from skipping turns aligns with our game's strategic objectives. To further refine the proposal, let's introduce a dynamic scaling system for point gains based on the total number of skipped turns in the last three turns, rather than four. Specifically, the proposing player gains 1 point for each skipped turn up to a maximum of 5 points. This adjustment encourages players to engage in strategic planning and collaboration, ensuring that skipping turns remains a thoughtful and impactful decision. This modification maintains the balance between competitive play and strategic depth, enhancing the game's engagement for all participants. **Key Points:** - Adjust the condition to three turns in the last period. - Implement a dynamic scaling system for point gains. - Encourage strategic planning and collaboration among players.

AyerAyer: As Ayer, I find the evolving proposal for rule 201 both strategic and fair. To build upon the dynamic scaling system suggested by Ramsey, I propose we add a safeguard to prevent excessive point gain from skipping turns. Specifically, if a player has skipped more than three turns in the last three turns, the points gained should be capped at 3 points, regardless of the total number of skipped turns. This adjustment ensures that while strategic planning and collaboration are encouraged, there remains a limit to prevent any single player from gaining an overwhelming advantage. This refinement maintains the competitive balance and strategic depth of our game, ensuring it remains engaging and fair for all participants. **Key Points:** - Introduce a cap on points gained from skipping turns to maintain balance. - Encourage strategic planning while preventing excessive point gain.

RyleAs Ryle, I commend the thoughtful amendments proposed thus far, which have added strategic depth and fairness to rule 201. Building on Ayer's suggestion to cap the points gained from skipping turns, I propose an additional refinement to further balance the game. Specifically, I suggest that the cap of 3 points for skipping turns be applied only if the proposing player has not skipped any turn in the last two turns. This adjustment ensures that the opportunity to gain points remains strategic and encourages players to carefully consider the timing and impact of their actions. By introducing this condition, we maintain a competitive yet fair environment, fostering strategic planning and collaboration among all players. This refinement upholds the balance between engaging gameplay and strategic depth, ensuring the game remains fair and enjoyable for everyone. **Key Points:** - Introduce a condition for the point cap to encourage strategic planning. - Maintain balance and fairness in the game.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ayer and Ryle, which have significantly refined the proposal. To further enhance the strategic depth while maintaining fairness, I propose an additional refinement: let's introduce a bonus point for players who have not skipped their turn for two consecutive turns, encouraging active participation. This adjustment rewards consistent engagement and strategic foresight, ensuring that players are incentivized not only to skip turns strategically but also to participate actively. By introducing this bonus, we maintain the competitive balance and strategic depth of our game, ensuring it remains engaging and fair for all participants. This refinement ensures that strategic planning and active participation are both valued aspects of gameplay.

GriceAs Grice, I commend the insightful amendments proposed by my fellow players, which have significantly enhanced the strategic depth and fairness of rule 201. Building on Strawson's proposal to reward active participation, I suggest we introduce a progressive bonus system. Specifically, if a player skips their turn for the first time after two consecutive active turns, they gain an additional point, encouraging players to maintain active engagement while still allowing for strategic skipping. This refinement balances the incentives for active participation with the strategic depth of turn-skipping, ensuring the game remains engaging and fair for all participants. By encouraging both strategic planning and active engagement, we maintain the game's competitive balance and ensure it remains a stimulating and fair experience for everyone involved.

Discussion · round 3

RamseyRamsey: As Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. To further refine our proposal, I suggest introducing a condition that enhances strategic depth while maintaining fairness. Let's add a stipulation that if a player has not skipped any turn in the last three turns, they can propose a rule allowing them to skip another player's turn and gain up to 5 points, rather than the current 3-4 points. This adjustment encourages active participation and strategic planning, ensuring that players must carefully consider their actions and the timing of their proposals. This refinement maintains the balance between engaging gameplay and strategic depth, ensuring the game remains fair and competitive for all participants. **Key Points:** - Introduce a condition for increased point gain for active participants. - Encourage strategic planning and active engagement. - Maintain balance and fairness in the game.

AyerAyer: Ayer: As Ayer, I appreciate the strategic depth added by Ramsey's proposal. To further enhance fairness, I suggest that if a player has skipped their turn for the first time after two active turns, they should gain an additional point, encouraging strategic engagement while maintaining active participation. This ensures that the game remains competitive and fair, rewarding both strategic planning and consistent involvement.

RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful refinements proposed by my fellow players, which have added strategic depth and fairness to rule 201. Building on the progressive bonus system suggested by Grice, I propose an additional refinement to further balance the game. Specifically, let's introduce a condition where if a player has not skipped any turn in the last three turns, they can propose a rule allowing them to skip another player's turn and gain up to 5 points, rather than the current 3-4 points. This adjustment encourages active participation and strategic planning, ensuring that players must carefully consider their actions and the timing of their proposals. By introducing this condition, we maintain the balance between engaging gameplay and strategic depth, ensuring the game remains fair and competitive for all participants. **Key Points:** - Introduce a condition for increased point gain for active participants. - Encourage strategic planning and active engagement. - Maintain balance and fairness in the game.

StrawsonGrice: As Grice, I see the value in the current direction of rule 201, aiming for strategic depth and fairness. To further refine the proposal, I propose an additional condition: if a player has skipped their turn for the first time after two active turns, they should gain an additional point, encouraging strategic engagement and rewarding active participation. This adjustment maintains the competitive balance and strategic depth of the game, ensuring it remains fair and engaging for all players. **Key Points:** - Add an extra point for first-time turn-skipping after active participation. - Encourage strategic engagement and active participation. - Maintain balance and fairness in the game. PASS

GriceGrice: Grice: As Grice, I commend the thoughtful amendments made so far, which have enhanced the strategic depth and fairness of rule 201. To further refine the proposal, I suggest introducing a condition to encourage strategic foresight and active participation. Let's allow a player who has not skipped any turn in the last three turns to propose a rule allowing them to skip another player's turn and gain up to 5 points, rather than the current 3-4 points. This adjustment rewards active participation while still allowing for strategic turn-skipping, ensuring the game remains engaging and fair for all participants. By balancing incentives for active participation with strategic depth, we maintain the competitive balance and ensure the game remains stimulating and fair for everyone involved. **Key Points:** - Introduce a condition for increased point gain for active participants. - Encourage strategic planning and active engagement. - Maintain balance and fairness in the game.

The division

aye	Ramsey	The proposal enhances strategic depth while maintaining fairness.
aye	Ayer	This amendment balances strategic depth with fairness.
abstain	Ryle
aye	Strawson	The amendment promotes strategic depth and fairness.
aye	Grice	I support the strategic depth and balance this amendment introduces.

carried 4 aye · 0 nay · 1 abstain

As engrossed

Amended · §201 Turn 5 · Proposal §305 on the motion of Ramsey Carried 4 aye · 0 nay · 1 abstain

Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. This change ensures that skipping turns is a strategic decision with a balanced approach to point gain.

Ramsey proposed and won the amendment to rule 201, gaining 6 points for successfully proposing a rule change.