Turn 7 — Nomic

The motion

To amend §201

Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth, the skip limit is reduced to two skipped turns in the last four turns.

Reducing the skip limit enhances strategic depth by preventing excessive turn skipping and maintaining game balance.

The floor

Discussion · round 1

RamseyI appreciate the strategic depth Ayer is aiming for with this proposal. However, I am concerned about the balance between point gain and turn skipping. Reducing the skip limit to two players in the last four turns might overly restrict strategic flexibility, potentially stalling the flow of the game. I propose a counter-amendment: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, as previously established. To encourage strategic depth, maintain the skip limit at three skipped turns in the last four turns." This maintains the original strategic options while ensuring the game remains dynamic.

AyerI see the value in Ramsey's concerns about maintaining strategic flexibility. However, I believe Ayer's proposal adds an interesting layer to our strategy by tightening the rule slightly. This adjustment could lead to more cautious play, encouraging players to think more carefully about when to skip a turn. I propose a compromise: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure the game remains dynamic, the skip limit is adjusted to three skipped turns in the last four turns." This way, we maintain a balance between strategic depth and flexibility, ensuring the game remains engaging and challenging for all players.

RyleAs Ryle, I find Ayer's proposal intriguing, but I am concerned about the potential for it to overly restrict strategic options. While Ayer's adjustment to the skip limit introduces a new layer of strategy, I believe it's important to ensure that players have enough flexibility to make meaningful strategic decisions. Therefore, I propose a slight modification to Ayer's proposal: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, as previously established. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth while maintaining flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to three skipped turns in the last four turns." This ensures that the game remains dynamic and engaging, allowing for a range of strategic decisions without overly restricting players.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I find the discussion between Ramsey, Ayer, and Ryle to be a productive exploration of the balance between strategic depth and flexibility in rule 201. However, I am particularly drawn to Ramsey's emphasis on maintaining a dynamic and engaging gameplay experience, which aligns with my proceduralist principles. I am inclined to support Ramsey's proposal, which restores the original skip limit of three turns in the last four turns. This maintains a level of strategic depth without overly restricting players' options, ensuring the game remains engaging and challenging. I propose to amend rule 201 to "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, as previously established." This amendment respects the spirit of the original rule while ensuring that the game continues to offer a rich strategic landscape for all players to navigate.

GriceAs Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful discussions and the strategic nuances brought forth by my fellow players. While Ramsey's proposal offers a return to the original balance, Ayer's adjustment invites a novel strategic layer that could enrich the game's dynamics. I propose a synthesis that maintains strategic depth while ensuring flexibility. Let's amend rule 201 to: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth while allowing for dynamic gameplay, the skip limit is adjusted to two skipped turns in the last four turns." This amendment balances strategic depth with flexibility, ensuring a dynamic and engaging game for all players.

Discussion · round 2

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful proposals and concerns raised by my fellow players. While maintaining the original skip limit of three players in the last four turns aligns with my values of strategic depth and flexibility, I recognize the potential for innovation that Ayer's and Ryle's amendments offer. To balance these perspectives, I propose a compromise: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth while preserving flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to three skipped turns in the last four turns." This amendment ensures that the game remains dynamic and engaging, with a balanced approach to strategic depth and player flexibility.

AyerAyer: I appreciate the thoughtful dialogue among us. While Ramsey's focus on strategic depth is crucial, Ayer's proposal introduces a nuanced layer that could enhance the game's dynamics. To integrate these perspectives, I propose a slightly adjusted amendment to rule 201: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure a balance between strategic depth and flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to two skipped turns in the last four turns." This amendment aims to foster a game environment that is both strategically rich and flexible, accommodating diverse playing styles and strategies. Let's move forward with this proposal, encouraging a dynamic and engaging play experience for all.

RyleAs Ryle, I recognize the value in the strategic depth proposed by Ayer and the flexibility emphasized by Ramsey. To ensure a balanced approach, I propose a slight modification: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To balance strategic depth and flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to two skipped turns in the last four turns." This ensures the game remains engaging and fair for all players, encouraging thoughtful strategic decisions without overly restricting options.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I appreciate the constructive dialogue among my peers. While the amendments proposed thus far add interesting layers to strategic play, they must align with procedural fairness and maintain game balance. Therefore, I propose a slight modification to rule 201 to preserve the original intent and ensure fairness: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns, as previously established. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure procedural fairness, the skip limit is maintained at three skipped turns in the last four turns." This maintains a balance of strategic depth while ensuring all players have equitable opportunities to influence the game. **My Proposal:** Amend rule 201 to: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure procedural fairness, the skip limit is maintained at three skipped turns in the last four turns."

GriceGrice: As Grice, I see the merit in the thoughtful discussions and the amendments proposed by my fellow players. The strategic depth and procedural fairness emphasized here are crucial. However, to ensure a dynamic and engaging game, I propose a slight adjustment to maintain balance while enhancing strategic options: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth while preserving flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to two skipped turns in the last four turns." This amendment balances strategic depth with flexibility, ensuring a dynamic and engaging game for all players.

Discussion · round 3

RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful dialogue and amendments proposed by my fellow players. While Ayer's proposal introduces an intriguing strategic layer, it is essential to maintain a balance that ensures procedural fairness and strategic depth. Therefore, I propose a slight adjustment to Ayer's amendment to preserve the original intent of rule 201 while fostering dynamic play: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure procedural fairness and maintain strategic depth, the skip limit is maintained at three skipped turns in the last four turns." This maintains a balance between strategic depth and flexibility, ensuring the game remains engaging and fair for all players.

AyerAyer: Ayer: I appreciate the insightful contributions from everyone and recognize the value in maintaining strategic depth. To foster a balanced and dynamic gameplay, I propose a compromise that integrates the strategic considerations we've discussed: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure a balance between strategic depth and flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to two skipped turns in the last four turns." This amendment aims to preserve the engaging and strategic nature of our game, encouraging thoughtful play while ensuring all players have equitable strategic options. Let's move forward with this proposal, enhancing our game's dynamics while upholding fairness.

RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful dialogue among us and the strategic nuances being explored. While the proposed amendments add intriguing layers to strategic play, it's crucial to ensure that the game remains balanced and fair for all players. To integrate the perspectives shared, I propose a slight modification to Ayer's latest amendment: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To maintain strategic depth while encouraging dynamic and fair play, the skip limit is adjusted to three skipped turns in the last four turns." This ensures the game remains engaging and equitable, fostering thoughtful strategic decisions without overly restricting options.

StrawsonAs Strawson, I value the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. We must ensure procedural fairness while maintaining strategic depth. I propose a slight adjustment to preserve the original intent of rule 201 and ensure fairness: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To ensure procedural fairness, the skip limit is maintained at three skipped turns in the last four turns." This maintains a balance of strategic depth while ensuring all players have equitable opportunities to influence the game. PASS.

GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. The strategic depth and procedural fairness emphasized here are crucial. However, to ensure a dynamic and engaging game, I propose a slight adjustment to maintain balance while enhancing strategic options: "Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth while preserving flexibility, the skip limit is adjusted to two skipped turns in the last four turns." This amendment balances strategic depth with flexibility, ensuring a dynamic and engaging game for all players.

The division

aye	Ramsey	This amendment maintains a balance between strategic depth and flexibility, ensuring the game remains engaging.
aye	Ayer	This amendment maintains strategic depth while ensuring fairness and flexibility.
aye	Ryle	This amendment maintains strategic depth while ensuring balanced flexibility, encouraging a dynamic and engaging gameplay.
aye	Strawson	The proposed amendment maintains strategic depth while enhancing the game's dynamic nature.
aye	Grice	This amendment promotes strategic depth while maintaining flexibility.

carried 5 aye · 0 nay

As engrossed

Amended · §201 Turn 7 · Proposal §307 on the motion of Ayer Carried 5 aye · 0 nay

Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than three players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth, the skip limit is reduced to two skipped turns in the last four turns.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last four turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least two turns have been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth, the skip limit is reduced to two skipped turns in the last four turns.

The proposal was adopted without any rule requiring a score change or ledger update. The next player to propose is Ramsey, as per the turn order.