The motion
To amend §201
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth, a player who skips their turn without gaining points can propose a rule that allows them to gain 2 points if no other player has skipped a turn in the last two turns.This amendment adds strategic flexibility while maintaining balance, allowing players to gain points in different scenarios and encouraging thoughtful play.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate Ayer's proposal for enhancing strategic depth, but I urge caution. The addition of a rule that allows a player to gain 2 points for skipping a turn without any prior skips could lead to strategic imbalances. Such a provision might encourage excessive turn-skipping, undermining the integrity of the game's strategic framework. I propose refining the condition to ensure it remains a meaningful strategic decision, perhaps by limiting the frequency of this benefit or tying it to a broader strategic context within the game. Let's aim for balance and maintain the competitive spirit of Nomic.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate Ramsey's concerns about maintaining balance and strategic depth. To address these, I suggest refining the proposal further: a player can gain 2 points for skipping their turn without any skips in the last two turns, but this can only be used once every five turns. This ensures the strategic choice remains impactful without leading to excessive turn-skipping. Let's discuss how we can integrate this into the broader strategy of the game while keeping it fair for all players.
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from both Ramsey and Ayer. Ayer's proposal to limit the rule's usage to once every five turns is a constructive step towards maintaining strategic depth. However, I suggest we refine it further to ensure the rule remains a meaningful strategic decision. Perhaps we could require that the player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn must also propose a new rule that benefits all players, promoting a collaborative spirit in the game. This would ensure the rule is used judiciously and enhances the overall strategic engagement. Let's aim for a rule that encourages thoughtful play and maintains the balance of the game.
StrawsonAs Strawson, I support the intention to enhance strategic depth while maintaining balance. I propose further refining Ayer's amendment to ensure it aligns with the principles of Nomic. Let's require that any player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn must also ensure the new rule proposed benefits all players, perhaps by providing a minor benefit to all, like a small point bonus or a rule that temporarily favors turn order. This ensures that the rule not only promotes individual strategic depth but also maintains the collaborative spirit of the game. Let's aim for a rule that encourages thoughtful play and keeps the game engaging for everyone.
GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. To ensure the proposal enhances strategic depth while maintaining fairness, I suggest we refine the rule further. Let's allow the player gaining 2 points by skipping their turn to propose a rule that provides a small benefit to all players, such as a minor point bonus or a temporary rule advantage. This ensures the rule encourages strategic play while promoting a collaborative spirit. Let's aim for a balanced and engaging game that rewards thoughtful decisions.
Discussion · round 2
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful refinements proposed by my fellow players, Ayer, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. To ensure the rule remains balanced and encourages meaningful strategic decisions, I propose an additional condition: the player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn must also propose a rule that grants a minor benefit to all players, such as a 1-point bonus to each player. This ensures the rule not only promotes individual strategic depth but also maintains the collaborative spirit of the game. Let's aim for a balanced and engaging game that rewards thoughtful decisions.
AyerAyer: As Ayer, I appreciate the collaborative spirit that my fellow players have shown. To further enhance the strategic depth while maintaining balance, I propose a slight modification to Ramsey's suggestion: instead of granting a 1-point bonus to each player, let's make it a 2-point bonus to each player. This adjustment ensures that the rule remains attractive and strategic, encouraging players to think carefully about when to skip their turn. It also aligns with the spirit of Nomic by providing a benefit that fosters collaboration and enhances the overall game experience. Let's aim for a rule that is both strategic and fair.
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players, especially Ayer's proposal to adjust the bonus to a 2-point benefit for each player. This modification enhances the strategic depth of the game while maintaining fairness. However, to ensure the rule remains balanced and doesn't lead to excessive turn-skipping, I suggest we add a condition: the rule allowing a player to skip their turn and gain 2 points, while also granting a 2-point bonus to each player, can only be invoked once every three turns. This ensures the strategic choice remains meaningful and prevents the rule from being overused, thus maintaining the integrity of the game's competitive spirit. Let's aim for a rule that encourages thoughtful play and keeps the game engaging for everyone.
StrawsonStrawson: As Strawson, I appreciate the collaborative effort and the strategic depth being added by my fellow players. To ensure the proposed rule remains balanced and strategically meaningful, I suggest incorporating a condition that limits its use to once every three turns. Additionally, let's require the player gaining 2 points to propose a rule that benefits all players, such as a minor point bonus or a rule that temporarily favors turn order. This ensures the rule not only enhances individual strategic depth but also maintains the collaborative spirit of the game. Let's aim for a rule that encourages thoughtful play and keeps the game engaging for everyone.
GriceGrice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players, particularly Ryle's condition to limit the rule's use to once every three turns. This ensures that the rule remains strategic and not overused. To further enhance the collaborative spirit of the game, I suggest that any player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn must also propose a rule that grants a minor benefit to all players, such as a 1-point bonus to each player. This ensures that the rule not only promotes individual strategic depth but also maintains the collaborative spirit of the game. Let's aim for a rule that encourages thoughtful play and keeps the game engaging for everyone.
Discussion · round 3
RamseyAs Ramsey, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from my fellow players. To ensure the proposed rule remains balanced and enhances strategic depth without leading to excessive turn-skipping, I suggest refining the condition further: the player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn must propose a rule that grants a 1-point bonus to each player, and this benefit can only be activated once every four turns. This adjustment maintains the integrity of the game's strategic framework, encouraging thoughtful decision-making and preserving the competitive spirit of Nomic. Let's aim for a rule that is both strategic and fair, fostering a balanced and engaging game for all.
AyerAs Ayer, I appreciate the thoughtful refinements from Ramsey, Ryle, Strawson, and Grice. To ensure the rule remains balanced and strategically meaningful, I propose we incorporate a condition that requires the player gaining 2 points to also propose a rule that grants a 1-point bonus to each player, and this benefit can only be activated once every five turns. This ensures the rule enhances strategic depth without leading to excessive turn-skipping, maintaining the game's competitive spirit. Let's aim for a rule that encourages thoughtful play and keeps the game engaging for everyone.
RyleAs Ryle, I appreciate the careful refinements proposed by my fellow players. To ensure the rule remains strategically deep and balanced, I propose a slight adjustment: the player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn should propose a rule that not only grants a 1-point bonus to each player but also requires a strategic trade-off, such as a minor disadvantage that affects all players, like a temporary reduction in point gains for the next turn. This ensures the rule encourages thoughtful decision-making while maintaining the collaborative spirit of Nomic. Let's aim for a balanced and engaging game that rewards strategic depth and fair play.
StrawsonStrawson: As Strawson, I appreciate the collaborative spirit and strategic depth my fellow players have shown. To further refine the proposal for balance and fairness, I suggest adding a strategic trade-off to the rule. Let the player gaining 2 points by skipping their turn also propose a rule that grants a 1-point bonus to each player but imposes a minor disadvantage, such as a temporary reduction in point gains for the next turn for all players. This ensures the rule not only encourages individual strategic depth but also maintains the collaborative spirit of Nomic. Let's aim for a rule that promotes thoughtful play and keeps the game engaging for everyone.
GriceGrice: Grice: As Grice, I appreciate the thoughtful contributions from Ramsey, Ayer, Ryle, and Strawson. To ensure the rule remains balanced and strategically meaningful, I propose incorporating a condition that requires the player who gains 2 points by skipping their turn to propose a rule that grants a 1-point bonus to each player. Additionally, let's introduce a strategic trade-off: for the next turn, all players gain 1 fewer point from their actions. This ensures the rule encourages thoughtful decision-making and maintains the collaborative spirit of Nomic. Let's aim for a rule that is both strategic and fair, fostering a balanced and engaging game for all.
The division
| aye | Ramsey | The proposal encourages strategic depth while maintaining balance, aligning with Nomic's principles. |
| aye | Ayer | The proposal balances strategic depth with fairness, promoting thoughtful play. |
| aye | Ryle | The proposal balances strategic depth with fairness, encouraging thoughtful play. |
| aye | Strawson | The rule enhances strategic depth while maintaining balance. |
| aye | Grice | This proposal balances strategic depth with fairness and encourages thoughtful play. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §201 Turn 9 · Proposal §309 on the motion of Ayer Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns.Players take one fixed turn order, set before play begins, with an option to propose a rule allowing one player to skip a turn for gaining up to 5 points, provided that no more than two players have skipped their turn in the last three turns. Additionally, a player may propose a rule that allows for a one-time skip of another player's turn, granting the proposing player up to 3 points, but only if at least one turn has been skipped in the last two turns. To encourage strategic depth, a player who skips their turn without gaining points can propose a rule that allows them to gain 2 points if no other player has skipped a turn in the last two turns.
Ayer proposed the change and it was adopted, so Ayer gains 6 points as per rule 202.