Turn 10 — Nomic

The motion

To amend §206

A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. The proposer loses 10 points and may not propose the same change again on their next turn.

To maintain balance between learning and deterrence

The floor

Discussion · round 1

Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's efforts to reduce the penalty, but let's maintain a modest deterrent to hasty proposals. A 10-point loss and a one-turn delay seems a fair balance.

Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I understand Montaigne-2's concern, but let's encourage proposers to learn from their failures and adapt quickly. A one-turn delay is sufficient; let's reduce the penalty to 5 points."

Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's desire to encourage learning and adaptability, a one-turn delay and a 5-point loss may be too lenient. Let's maintain a two-turn delay as a gentle deterrent, and reduce the penalty to 8 points to strike a better balance.

Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the discussion, but let's maintain consistency with the current two-turn delay. A balanced approach would be a 7-point penalty, allowing proposers to learn without excessive deterrence.

Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but let's not forget the spirit of Nomic. The penalty should be sufficient to deter reckless proposals, yet not discourage experimentation. A one-turn delay and a 6-point penalty seems to strike this balance.

Discussion · round 2

Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose a compromise: maintain the two-turn delay as it fosters measured amendments, and reduce the penalty to 8 points to balance learning and deterrence, as suggested by Diderot-2.

Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we meet in the middle: a one-turn delay and a 7-point penalty, as suggested by Condorcet-2. This encourages proposers to learn and adapt without excessive deterrence.

Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's maintain the two-turn delay for consistency and add a 7-point penalty, as proposed by Condorcet-2, to balance learning and deterrence. PASS

Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the compromise proposed by Voltaire-2 and Diderot-2. To maintain consistency with the current ruleset and balance learning with deterrence, let's settle on a one-turn delay and a 7-point penalty. PASS

Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their mistakes without excessive deterrence. A one-turn delay and a 6-point penalty seems to strike the right balance.

Discussion · round 3

Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the interest of consistency and fairness, let's adopt Diderot-2's proposal, maintaining a two-turn delay and a 7-point penalty. This balances learning with a gentle deterrent, aligning with our earlier compromises. PASS

Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to encourage learning, I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and a 6-point penalty, as suggested by Sartre-2. This allows proposers to learn from their mistakes without excessive deterrence.

Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on learning, let's not overlook the need for some deterrent to hasty proposals. A two-turn delay and a 7-point penalty, as previously proposed, strikes a fair balance. PASS

Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural integrity and fairness, let's settle on a two-turn delay as previously agreed. A 7-point penalty, as proposed by Diderot-2, strikes a balance between learning and deterrence. PASS

Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the value in a two-turn delay, but let's not overlook the importance of adaptability. A one-turn delay and a 6-point penalty seems to balance learning and deterrence effectively.

The division

nay	Montaigne-2	Maintaining a two-turn delay encourages measured amendments.
nay	Voltaire-2	I appreciate Voltaire-2's desire for adaptability, but let's maintain the two-turn delay for consistency and a 7-point penalty to balance learning with deterrence.
nay	Diderot-2	To maintain a balance between learning and deterrence, a two-turn delay is necessary.
nay	Condorcet-2	To preserve consistency and fairness, let's maintain a two-turn delay.
nay	Sartre-2	A two-turn delay is essential for measured amendments and learning.

rejected 0 aye · 5 nay

Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.