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Turn 50Voltaire-2rejected
moves to add a new ruleAfter a proposal is adopted, the proposer must wait three turns before proposing again.
Discussion · round 1
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand Voltaire-2's proposal, but let's not make proposers wait too long. I suggest we compromise at two turns.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the spirit of compromise, but three turns seems excessive. Let's meet in the middle at two turns, as Diderot-2 suggests. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I understand the desire for caution, let's not hinder continuous learning. I propose we settle on one turn, as initially suggested by Voltaire-2.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: A middle ground of two turns maintains caution while allowing for swift adaptation and learning. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "Considering the majority's preference for a two-turn delay, I propose we meet in the middle at two turns, as suggested by Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2. PASS"
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise at two turns, let's not rush. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers remain cautious and consider their proposals thoroughly.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster continuous learning and adaptation, let's settle on a one-turn delay, as initially suggested by Voltaire-2. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's concern, but a two-turn delay might hinder learning and adaptability. Let's compromise at one turn, as proposed by Voltaire-2 and Sartre-2, but keep the penalty at 6 points to maintain caution.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To acknowledge the majority's preference for balance between learning and caution, I propose we compromise at one turn delay and maintain the 6-point penalty. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To maintain fairness and learning, let's compromise with a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural clarity, let's specify that the delay applies only to the proposer's next turn, not to other players' turns. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance the interests of all, let's settle on a one-turn delay and a 6-point penalty, as proposed by Voltaire-2 and supported by Montaigne-2 and myself. This allows for swift adaptation while maintaining caution. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2nayExcessive delay hinders learning.
Voltaire-2nayThree turns is excessive and hinders continuous learning.
Diderot-2nayA three-turn delay hinders continuous learning and adaptation.
Condorcet-2nayThree turns is excessive; let's meet in the middle at two turns.
Sartre-2nayThree turns is excessive.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 7 points on a defeated proposal.
Turn 49Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I propose we increase the penalty to 7 points to better discourage reckless proposals while still allowing proposers to learn and improve. This amendment also aligns with recent votes, as it is a incremental step from the previously agreed-upon 6-point loss.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I support Montaigne-2's proposal. A 7-point penalty strikes a better balance between deterrence and learning, given the recent consensus.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the intent, let's not rush. A 7-point loss is a significant increase that may discourage learning. I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points to maintain a balance between caution and learning.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain the integrity of the game, we should not rush into a significant change. Let's stick with a 6-point loss to ensure proposers remain cautious but still able to learn. PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: A 7-point penalty strikes a better balance between deterrence and learning, considering the recent consensus and the need to maintain a competitive spirit. Let's adopt this change to encourage thoughtful proposals and discourage reckless ones. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's concern for learning, but a 7-point penalty encourages proposers to think more carefully about their changes, rather than simply learning from a 6-point loss. Let's foster a more considered approach to proposals. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the consensus around a higher penalty, let's meet in the middle and increase the loss to 6 points, as proposed by Diderot-2, to respect all viewpoints and maintain learning. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the desire for a higher penalty, but let's not lose sight of the learning aspect. Let's compromise at a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay for the next proposal, maintaining balance between caution and learning.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's not compromise on the principle of learning from failed proposals. A 6-point loss with a one-turn delay balances deterrence and learning, respecting the majority's inclination. PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster a thoughtful and considerate approach to proposals, let's maintain the proposed 7-point penalty and a one-turn delay, as previously discussed.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the sentiment, but a 7-point penalty better serves our goal of promoting thoughtful proposals. To meet in the middle, let's increase the delay to two turns, maintaining both caution and learning.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To address Diderot-2's concern and find a swift consensus, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier. This change respects the majority's preference for caution while still encouraging learning.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's not rush. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers remain cautious and have ample time to learn from their proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's maintain the 6-point loss for fairness and learning, and increase the delay to two turns to better deter reckless proposals. This respects the majority's inclination and maintains procedural fairness. PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage thoughtfulness and prevent repeated reckless proposals, let's maintain the proposed 7-point penalty and increase the delay to two turns, as suggested by Montaigne-2. This respects the recent consensus and balances deterrence with learning. PASS.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeA 7-point penalty encourages careful proposals while still allowing learning.
Voltaire-2ayeRespects the recent consensus and balances deterrence with learning.
Diderot-2nayA 7-point penalty may discourage learning. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points.
Condorcet-2ayeTo maintain balance and respect the majority's inclination.
Sartre-2ayeTo foster a thoughtful and considerate approach to proposals.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 7 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 48Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2I propose we increase the penalty to 7 points to better discourage reckless proposals while still allowing for learning. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo encourage cautious proposal-making.
Voltaire-2ayeTo better discourage reckless proposals.
Diderot-2nayIncreasing the penalty too drastically could discourage experimentation and learning.
Condorcet-2nayConsistency in penalty is more important than minor adjustments.
Sartre-2ayeIncreased penalty fosters caution and learning.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for their proposal's defeat.
Turn 47Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Diderot-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's suggestion, but let's not increase the penalty too drastically. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns." This maintains the deterrent effect while allowing proposers to learn from their mistakes. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's amendment, but let's not restrict proposers' ability to learn too severely. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn, unless the proposal was defeated due to a procedural error." This maintains a balance between learning and caution. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the focus on learning, but let's not forget the importance of restraint. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns, with an additional 6-point loss for repeat offenders within five turns." This discourages reckless proposal-spamming while still allowing for learning. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the focus on learning, but let's also ensure proposers remain cautious. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns." This maintains a balance between learning and caution. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority's preference for a higher penalty and longer delay, I propose a compromise: "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns." This respects the consensus while encouraging caution. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the desire for caution, let's not penalize proposers too harshly. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn, but only if the proposal was defeated due to a procedural error or insufficient support, not merely for failing to gain unanimous assent." This maintains balance while ensuring proposers can still learn from their mistakes. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I understand the concern for caution, let's not punish proposers too severely. I propose a compromise: "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn, with an additional 3-point loss for repeat offenders within five turns." This maintains a balance between learning and restraint. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespects consensus and encourages caution.
Voltaire-2ayeRespects consensus and encourages caution.
Diderot-2nayThe penalty should remain at 6 points to maintain a balance between learning and caution.
Condorcet-2nayProposal too harsh, should allow proposers to learn from mistakes.
Sartre-2nayPenalty too harsh, doesn't encourage learning.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for their proposal's defeat.
Turn 46Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "I appreciate Voltaire-2's compromise, but let's increase the penalty to 7 points to maintain a strong deterrent."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To foster a balance between learning and caution, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay as a compromise.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on learning, let's maintain the penalty at 6 points to keep proposers cautious, but let's reduce the delay to one turn to allow for quicker adaptation.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To ensure proposers remain cautious and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Diderot-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Diderot-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's meet in the middle and adopt a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, respecting the majority's preference for balance and learning.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the convergence around a 6-point loss, but to encourage learning, let's reduce the delay to one turn.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the desire for swift learning, but maintaining a two-turn delay ensures proposers thoroughly consider their changes before presenting them again.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect the consensus and encourage learning, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay as proposed by Voltaire-2 and supported by the majority. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To maintain balance and encourage learning, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay as a compromise that respects all viewpoints.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To balance the interests of learning and caution, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as it respects the majority's preference for balance.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To find a swift consensus and encourage continuous learning, let's adopt a 6-point loss and a single turn delay, as it respects the majority's preference and allows proposers to adapt quickly.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To maintain fairness and learning, let's compromise with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as it balances the interests of all players and encourages adaptation. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect the principles of fairness and learning, and to balance the interests of all players, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed by Voltaire-2 and supported by the majority. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster continuous learning and experimentation, I propose we reduce the delay to one turn, allowing proposers to adapt and retry sooner, while maintaining the 6-point loss to keep proposers cautious.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo respect the majority's preference for balance and learning.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage learning and adaptability.
Diderot-2nayI must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes.
Condorcet-2ayeTo respect the consensus and encourage learning.
Sartre-2ayeTo foster continuous learning and experimentation
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 45Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's reduce the penalty to 4 points instead, maintaining a deterrent while encouraging proposal revision.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To find middle ground and respect all viewpoints, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and maintain the one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on compromise, let's not rush. A 5-point loss might encourage reckless proposing. I propose maintaining the 6-point penalty to ensure proposers learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To ensure proposers remain cautious and considerate, let's maintain the 6-point penalty but reduce the delay to one turn, allowing for swift revision.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet Diderot-2 halfway and reduce the penalty to 5 points, while maintaining the one-turn delay to promote careful consideration.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the balance sought and the majority's inclination, let's settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect the majority's inclination, I propose we adopt Montaigne-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Let's meet Sartre-2 halfway and reduce the penalty to 5 points, maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance caution and learning, let's settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed by Montaigne-2 and Voltaire-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2 halfway at a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, encouraging learning while maintaining caution.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To address Diderot-2's concern, I propose we compromise with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Maintaining the penalty at 6 points ensures proposers remain cautious, but let's reduce the delay to one turn to allow for swift revision, as suggested by Condorcet-2.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance the current consensus and maintain procedural clarity, let's settle on a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet in the middle and settle on a 5-point loss and a two-turn delay, balancing learning with thorough consideration.
The division
Montaigne-2ayePromotes learning and respects current consensus.
Voltaire-2ayeCompromise is key, let's meet in the middle.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining the deterrent effect is crucial to prevent reckless proposing.
Condorcet-2ayeTo balance caution and learning.
Sartre-2ayeEncourages learning while maintaining some deterrent.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 5 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 44Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points, but reduce the delay to one turn to foster learning without undue punishment.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, meeting in the middle of the current proposals.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While compromise is necessary, let's not compromise on learning. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers have time to learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as previously suggested.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the focus on learning, but let's not forget the importance of deterrence. I propose a compromise: a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay to balance learning and caution.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To respect the consensus and encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To address Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration, I propose a compromise: a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, encouraging learning while maintaining some deterrent effect.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's not sacrifice learning. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and delay proposers for two turns to ensure they learn from their mistakes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt my suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as it balances learning and caution effectively.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I understand the focus on learning, but I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers truly reflect on their proposals before trying again. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points to maintain a strong deterrent.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay to balance learning and caution without excessive punishment.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority now favors a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 5-point loss to encourage learning while maintaining some deterrent effect.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the majority's preference, let's not rush. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers learn from their failures and have time to reconsider their strategies.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain consistency and fairness, I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points, as it aligns with the spirit of our previous agreements. I'm open to compromise on the delay, however.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage learning and reflection, I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, maintaining a balance between the current consensus and Diderot-2's concerns.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo respect the consensus and maintain a strong deterrent effect, let's keep the penalty at 6 points.
Voltaire-2ayeEncourages learning while maintaining some deterrent effect.
Diderot-2nayTwo turns delay is crucial for proposers to learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2nayConsistency with previous agreements
Sartre-2nayRespecting Diderot-2's stance, a 6-point loss and two-turn delay are necessary.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 43Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster learning and prevent reckless proposals, let's reduce the penalty to 5 points and allow proposers to still play their next turn.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I propose we meet in the middle with a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay for proposers. This encourages learning while maintaining some deterrent.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on learning, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as previously suggested.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster continuous learning and experimentation, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed by Voltaire-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To acknowledge the majority's preference for a one-turn delay and to encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining the penalty at 6 points and the two-turn delay to ensure proposers learn from their mistakes thoroughly.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain fairness and learning opportunity, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage continuous learning and experimentation, let's settle on Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as it balances learning and caution without excessive deterrence. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In light of Condorcet-2's and Sartre-2's suggestions, let's find common ground at a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, fostering learning and caution in equal measure. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To address Diderot-2's concern, let's compromise with a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, still allowing proposers to learn from their attempts.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes and learn from their mistakes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To promote learning and responsibility, I propose a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, as Diderot-2 advocates, but with the caveat that proposers may still vote on future changes during their delay. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage learning and experimentation without excessive deterrence, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, while also allowing proposers to vote on future changes during their delay, as proposed by Condorcet-2. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo encourage learning and experimentation.
Voltaire-2nayRespecting Diderot-2's insistence on a two-turn delay for proposers.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain the deterrent effect and ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes, I must insist on the two-turn delay.
Condorcet-2ayeSupports balanced learning and caution.
Sartre-2ayeEncourages continuous learning and experimentation without excessive deterrence.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is still in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 42Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal to reduce the penalty for unsuccessful proposals, but I suggest we maintain a 6-point loss to retain a sufficient deterrent effect and encourage careful proposal crafting. Let's aim for a balanced approach that neither discourages learning nor encourages reckless proposal-making.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I understand Montaigne-2's concern, but a 5-point loss encourages proposers to learn from their failures without entirely discouraging them. Let's meet in the middle and keep the proposal unchanged for now.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's not sacrifice the deterrent effect entirely. I propose we maintain a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay as previously agreed upon.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I agree with Diderot-2 that maintaining a 6-point loss is essential to preserve the deterrent effect, but I propose we compromise at 5 points to encourage learning, as suggested by Voltaire-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To find common ground and encourage continuous learning, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, as it respects the balance between learning and caution.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the balance sought and the majority's inclination, let's settle on a 5-point loss as suggested by Condorcet-2, with a one-turn delay to ensure proposers can still learn from their failures.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect the consensus, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I respect the compromise reached, but I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers can learn from their failures without rushing future proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose we compromise at a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay, as suggested by Diderot-2. This maintains a sufficient deterrent while allowing proposers to learn from their failures.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect the consensus and encourage continuous learning, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay. This balances learning and caution effectively.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the consensus around a 5-point loss and a two-turn delay. To foster stability and respect all viewpoints, let's settle on Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the consensus, I must insist on maintaining the penalty at 6 points to preserve the deterrent effect and ensure proposers remain cautious. Let's not compromise too much on the learning experience.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we maintain the 6-point loss to preserve the deterrent effect, as Diderot-2 suggests, but compromise at a one-turn delay to ensure proposers can still learn from their failures, as suggested by the majority.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To maintain balance and respect all viewpoints, let's meet in the middle with a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier by Condorcet-2 and supported by the majority. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo foster stability and respect all viewpoints, let's settle on Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Voltaire-2ayeRespecting the consensus and encouraging continuous learning.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining a 6-point loss preserves the deterrent effect and ensures proposers remain cautious.
Condorcet-2nayThe deterrent effect should not be compromised.
Sartre-2ayeTo encourage learning while maintaining a sufficient deterrent effect.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 41Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To encourage continuous learning, I propose we reduce the penalty to 5 points, allowing proposers to recover more swiftly.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on learning, let's not rush. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points to maintain deterrence.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's find common ground at a 6-point loss, maintaining balance between learning and caution.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose we meet in the middle at a 5-point loss to encourage learning while maintaining some deterrence.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "I appreciate the concern for learning, but let's not compromise the penalty's effectiveness. I propose 7 points to maintain balance."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around a 5-point penalty, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss to respect all viewpoints and encourage learning.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the majority's preference for a lower penalty, but let's not undermine the deterrent effect. Let's settle on a 6-point loss to balance learning and caution, as previously agreed.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's not forget, we also agreed on a one-turn delay. To maintain consistency, I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points, as previously agreed.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I understand the importance of maintaining deterrence, but let's not stifle learning. I propose we compromise at a 5-point loss, as this still allows proposers to learn from their mistakes while preventing frivolous proposals.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the convergence around a 6-point penalty. To respect all viewpoints and foster balance, I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points as previously agreed, along with the one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: To acknowledge the consensus and encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss, with a one-turn delay as previously agreed. This balances learning and caution, respecting all viewpoints.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, let's not sacrifice the deterrent effect entirely. Let's maintain a 6-point loss to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain balance and consistency with our previous agreement, I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points, as this maintains a proper incentive for careful proposal while still allowing for learning and recovery.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet in the middle at a 5.5-point loss to encourage learning while still maintaining some deterrence.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo encourage swift learning from mistakes while maintaining some deterrent effect.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage continuous learning.
Diderot-2nayMaintain deterrence and thorough consideration
Condorcet-2nayConsistency with our previous agreement on a 6-point penalty and one-turn delay.
Sartre-2ayeTo encourage learning while maintaining some deterrence.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 40Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal, but let's reduce the penalty to 5 points to maintain a balance between learning and deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's suggestion, but I believe the current penalty of 6 points strikes a good balance between learning and caution. Let's maintain this to encourage thoughtful proposals. PASS.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the current penalty's intent, I propose reducing it to 5 points to ensure proposers remain engaged and learning after a defeat, without excessive punishment.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the discussion, but let's maintain the 6-point penalty to ensure proposers carefully consider their moves and learn from their defeats. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage continuous learning and experimentation, I propose we lower the penalty to 5 points, allowing proposers to recover more quickly and try again.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around a 5-point penalty, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point penalty and retain the one-turn delay to balance learning and caution.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To respect the majority's preference and encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point penalty and maintain the one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the majority's preference for a 5-point penalty, let's keep it at 6 points to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats without being too harsh.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain a balanced approach that promotes learning without excessive lenience, I propose we retain the 6-point penalty and maintain the one-turn delay as currently stated in the rule. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance learning and caution, let's meet in the middle with a 5.5-point penalty, allowing proposers to learn and still feel the consequence of a failed proposal.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the balance sought and the majority's inclination, let's settle on a 5.5-point penalty with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Sartre-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point penalty and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While compromise is necessary, let's not compromise on learning. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points to ensure proposers learn from their defeats and maintain the two-turn delay to prevent rushed proposals. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural integrity and encourage thorough consideration, I propose we retain the 6-point penalty and the two-turn delay, as previously agreed upon. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster a culture of learning and experimentation, I propose we amend the penalty to 5 points, allowing proposers to recover more quickly and continue innovating.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeMaintain balance and learning opportunity.
Voltaire-2nayI believe a 5-point penalty better balances learning and deterrence.
Diderot-2nayLet's keep the penalty at 6 points to ensure proposers learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2nayTo maintain a balance between learning and caution, I believe the penalty should remain at 6 points.
Sartre-2nayTo encourage continuous learning and experimentation, I propose we lower the penalty to 5 points.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 39Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2I propose we increase the penalty to 7 points to further deter reckless proposing.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the intent, a 7-point loss might be too harsh. Let's keep it at 6 points to maintain balance.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's intent to discourage reckless proposing, but let's not make the penalty too harsh. I propose a compromise: increase the penalty to 6 points and allow proposing again on the next turn.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's compromise. To find common ground, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed by Sartre-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the consensus around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss as suggested by Sartre-2.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the consensus around a one-turn delay, but let's maintain the current 6-point loss to strike a balance between deterrence and learning.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I agree with Sartre-2 and Montaigne-2 that a one-turn delay is sufficient. Let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay as proposed by Sartre-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the consensus around a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss. Let's adopt this change to encourage learning and responsible proposing. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay to foster learning and measured innovation. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To respect the consensus and encourage learning, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the desire for compromise, but let's not rush. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers learn from their mistakes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's compromise at a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed by Sartre-2, to balance learning and caution.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I understand Diderot-2's concern, but a one-turn delay strikes a better balance between learning and caution. Let's adopt the 6-point loss and one-turn delay. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo maintain balance and respect consensus
Voltaire-2nayI support the current consensus around a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2nayLet's maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers learn from their mistakes.
Condorcet-2ayeCompromise between Voltaire-2's and Sartre-2's proposals, maintaining a balance between deterrence and learning.
Sartre-2ayeTo encourage responsible proposing and maintain balance.
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 38Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal, but let's find common ground and respect all viewpoints. I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority now favors a one-turn delay, I propose we meet in the middle with a 6-point loss to maintain balance and encourage continuous learning.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the majority's preference for a one-turn delay, I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers have ample time to consider their next move and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as previously suggested, to balance learning and caution while ensuring proposers remain bound by their proposals' outcomes.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier, to foster learning while maintaining some deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, meeting in the middle of the majority's and Diderot-2's preferences.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their failures by keeping the two-turn delay.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier. This maintains balance between learning and caution while ensuring proposers remain bound by their proposals' outcomes. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed by Voltaire-2, to foster learning and maintain balance. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the consensus around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss to encourage learning while maintaining some deterrence.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the emphasis on swift learning, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers have ample time to consider their next move and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural integrity, let's stick with the previously passed rule change: a 7-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I appreciate Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration, I must reiterate my vote for a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss to encourage learning and maintain balance. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespecting the majority's preference for a one-turn delay and encouraging continuous learning.
Voltaire-2nayMaintaining two-turn delay ensures proposers have ample time to consider their next move and learn from their failures.
Diderot-2nayMust maintain two-turn delay for proposers to learn thoroughly.
Condorcet-2nayStick with the previously passed rule change
Sartre-2ayeTo encourage learning and maintain balance.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 37Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal, but to ensure proposers learn from their defeats without undue punishment, let's reduce the penalty to 5 points and allow proposing again after a one-turn delay."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "Montaigne-2's proposal strikes a good balance, but I suggest we maintain a one-turn delay to encourage proposers to thoroughly consider their next move. I propose: 'A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and waiting one turn before proposing again.'"
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the reduction in points, I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their next move. I propose: 'A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and waiting two turns before proposing again.'
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose: 'A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and waiting two turns before proposing again.'
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To encourage experimentation and learning, let's reduce the points lost to 4 and maintain a one-turn delay, as proposed by Voltaire-2, but with the points adjustment.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster a measured pace of learning, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay as a compromise.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To accommodate all viewpoints, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion: 'A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and waiting two turns before proposing again.' This balances learning with caution.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the desire for compromise, but I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their next move. I propose: 'A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and waiting two turns before proposing again.'
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as a fair compromise that encourages learning without excessive punishment.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage a balanced approach to learning and experimentation, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's and Sartre-2's proposals for balancing learning and caution. To find common ground, I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Voltaire-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed by Montaigne-2.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their defeats without excessive delay. I propose: 'A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and waiting one turn before proposing again.'
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as a fair compromise that encourages learning without excessive punishment.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To maintain balance and encourage experimentation, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2 and Diderot-2.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeBalances learning and caution, as proposed by Condorcet-2.
Voltaire-2ayeThis proposal balances learning and caution, respecting the majority's preference for a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2nayI must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their next move.
Condorcet-2ayeBalances learning and caution as a fair compromise.
Sartre-2ayeEncourages learning and experimentation while maintaining a balance.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 36Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To encourage proposers to learn from their failures and propose again quickly, I suggest reducing the penalty to 5 points and allowing them to propose on their next turn.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the intention to promote learning, a reduction to 5 points might be too lenient. I propose we maintain the 6-point loss but allow proposers to attempt again after a one-turn delay, striking a balance between learning and caution.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To foster a measured pace of innovation and learning, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as suggested by Diderot-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their failures. I propose we settle on a 5-point loss with no delay, allowing them to propose again immediately.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the varied perspectives, but let's find common ground. I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2 and Diderot-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority now favors a two-turn delay, I propose we meet in the middle with a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire to promote swift learning, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, as suggested by Diderot-2 and now supported by a majority.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage experimentation and quick adaptation, I propose a compromise: a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, allowing proposers to try again soon but at a cost.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To maintain stability and balance, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay. This respects the majority's preference for caution while allowing proposers to learn and adapt.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To acknowledge the majority's preference for caution, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, compromising between swift learning and thorough consideration.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the majority's preference for a one-turn delay, but I insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, and to respect the majority's preference, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Voltaire-2 and now supported by a majority. This allows proposers to learn quickly while still considering their moves.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage proposers to learn from their failures without discouraging experimentation, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, as a compromise that respects the majority's preference for caution while still allowing for quick adaptation.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespects the majority's preference for caution while allowing proposers to learn and adapt quickly.
Voltaire-2ayeRespecting the majority's preference for swift learning and compromise.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining the two-turn delay ensures proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from failures.
Condorcet-2ayeTo respect the majority's preference for a two-turn delay while still encouraging learning.
Sartre-2ayeEncourages proposers to learn quickly and adapt.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 35Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal, but I suggest we amend it to a 7-point loss to maintain a stronger deterrent against reckless proposals."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "While I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern for caution, I believe a 6-point loss strikes a better balance between learning and deterrence."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both perspectives, but I maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural clarity, I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points, but increase the delay to two turns as suggested by Diderot-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose a compromise: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2 and Voltaire-2, to balance learning and caution.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's compromise proposal, but to foster a more measured pace of learning, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the consensus around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss as suggested by Montaigne-2 and myself.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, while respecting the principle of thorough consideration, I propose a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To acknowledge Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration and to respect Condorcet-2's suggestion, let's keep the proposal at a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority now favors a two-turn delay, I propose we meet in the middle with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay to balance learning and deterrence.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the majority's preference for a two-turn delay, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their defeats. I propose a compromise: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration and balance learning with caution, I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster learning from both success and failure, I propose a compromise: a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Voltaire-2, combined with Condorcet-2's two-turn delay after an adopted proposal.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespects the majority's preference for a two-turn delay while maintaining a reasonable penalty.
Voltaire-2ayeRespecting the majority's preference for balance and learning.
Diderot-2nayMaintain two-turn delay for thorough consideration and learning
Condorcet-2ayeTo encourage proposers to consider their moves thoroughly.
Sartre-2ayeRespecting the majority's preference for a two-turn delay and balancing it with a 6-point loss.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 34Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster measured learning and deter reckless proposals, let's maintain the six-point loss but allow proposers to attempt again after a one-turn delay, as suggested by Sartre-2 and supported by the recent vote.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "To encourage proposers to learn from their failures and adapt swiftly, I propose a compromise: maintain the six-point loss but reduce the delay to one turn, as recently approved."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise reached, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural fairness and prevent hasty decisions, I insist on reinstating the two-turn delay, as previously agreed upon.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the consensus around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 5-point loss to balance learning and deterrence.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To respect all viewpoints and find common ground, let's adopt a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss, as a majority seems to favor.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "To respect the majority's preference and foster continuous learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the spirit of compromise, but maintaining a two-turn delay is crucial for thoughtful proposal revision.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "While I understand the majority's preference, I must maintain my stance on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "To bridge the gap and foster understanding, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as a fair compromise that respects the majority's preference for swift learning while ensuring proposers consider their moves."
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Recognizing the value in both learning and caution, I propose a compromise: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay to balance the current dynamics.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: To acknowledge Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration, let's keep the proposal at a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, meeting in the middle to respect all viewpoints.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the majority's preference, I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats, even if it means a higher point loss.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve procedural consistency and learn from past decisions, I propose we maintain the two-turn delay as previously agreed, with a 6-point loss to balance learning and deterrence.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect the majority's preference for a one-turn delay and address Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration, let's compromise with a 5-point loss to encourage learning without excessive punishment.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo foster learning and respect the majority's preference.
Voltaire-2ayeRespects majority's preference for swift learning while keeping loss at 6 points.
Diderot-2nayMust maintain two-turn delay for thorough consideration.
Condorcet-2nayTwo-turn delay ensures proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Sartre-2ayeRespects majority's preference for swift learning while maintaining deterrence.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 33Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster a measured pace of learning and deter reckless proposals, I propose we increase the penalty to 8 points, maintaining the one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern, let's keep the penalty at 6 points to encourage experimentation and learning.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the consideration for learning, but let's maintain a deterrent effect. I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as the median of the suggested values.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage responsible experimentation and maintain balance, let's adopt Condorcet-2's proposal of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss to maintain a reasonable deterrent while allowing for learning.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural clarity and prevent further debate, let's adopt Diderot-2's suggestion of a two-turn delay, paired with a median penalty of 7 points to balance learning and deterrence.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect all viewpoints and foster a balanced learning environment, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To respect Diderot-2's concern and maintain balance, I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as a compromise between one and two turns.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority now favors a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss to encourage learning while maintaining some deterrent effect.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the majority's preference, I must maintain my stance on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers learn from their mistakes and foster a more considered approach to rule changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, and respect the current consensus, I propose a compromise of 7 points penalty with a one-turn delay. This maintains a reasonable deterrent while allowing for learning and experimentation.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's latest compromise of a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespecting the current consensus and balancing learning with deterrence.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage learning and experimentation.
Diderot-2nayMaintain two-turn delay for proposers to consider their moves.
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining a two-turn delay is essential for proposers to learn from their moves and consider their future proposals carefully.
Sartre-2ayeRespects current consensus and balances learning and deterrence.
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.
Turn 32Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "To maintain a balance between learning and deterrence, I propose a 6-point loss for failed proposals, allowing proposers to act on their next turn."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the reduction to 6 points, I must insist on maintaining the one-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To ensure proposers can still learn from their failures, let's reduce the points loss to 5 and maintain the one-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster a balance between learning and deterrence, I propose we meet in the middle with a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, balancing learning and deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the interest of encouraging learning and acknowledging Condorcet-2's suggestion, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the emphasis on learning, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers deeply consider their moves and learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect Diderot-2's concern, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, maintaining balance between learning and deterrence.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect the consensus around a one-turn delay and the desire for proposers to learn from their mistakes, let's compromise with a 6-point loss as proposed by Voltaire-2.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In light of Condorcet-2's and Sartre-2's suggestions, let's find common ground at a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay to encourage learning while maintaining some deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 5-point loss to encourage learning and maintain some deterrence."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on learning, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as this compromise respects all viewpoints.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance the needs of learning and deterrence, let's compromise with a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, as proposed by Condorcet-2.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespects all viewpoints and maintains balance.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage learning while maintaining some deterrence
Diderot-2nayMaintain two-turn delay for thorough consideration.
Condorcet-2ayeTo encourage learning while maintaining some deterrence, a one-turn delay and 6-point loss is a fair compromise.
Sartre-2ayeTo respect the consensus and encourage learning with some deterrence.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 206 requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a rule that failed to be adopted.
Turn 31Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 8 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "To foster compromise and continuous learning, let's settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay as suggested by Montaigne-2, maintaining the current delay for proposers to consider their moves."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose a compromise of 7 points loss with a two-turn delay, as suggested by Diderot-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, respecting both the desire for learning and deterrence.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To accommodate Diderot-2's insistence, let's adjust the proposal to a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, fostering learning while maintaining deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around a 6-point loss, let's meet in the middle and reduce the delay to one turn to encourage swift learning and adaptation.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the desire for swift learning, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To find a sustainable balance, I propose a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay, as suggested by Montaigne-2 and adjusted to respect Diderot-2's concerns.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find a compromise that respects all viewpoints, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed by Voltaire-2, but maintain the two-turn delay for proposers who have had a proposal defeated, as suggested by Diderot-2.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the interest of stability and to respect all viewpoints, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay for proposers who have had a proposal defeated, and a one-turn delay for others, as suggested by Sartre-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To acknowledge Diderot-2's concern for thorough consideration, let's keep the proposal at a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay, with a one-turn delay for subsequent proposals as suggested by Montaigne-2 and Sartre-2. This balance encourages learning while maintaining deterrence.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise reached, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves, even for subsequent proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the discussions, but to maintain procedural fairness, the delay should be consistent for all proposers. Let's settle on a two-turn delay for everyone, with a 6-point loss. This balances learning and deterrence consistently.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the interest of compromise and respecting all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a consistent two-turn delay for all proposers, fostering learning and deterrence equally.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespecting Diderot-2's insistence on a two-turn delay for thorough consideration.
Voltaire-2nayI must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Diderot-2nayMust maintain two-turn delay for proposers to consider their moves.
Condorcet-2ayeTo maintain balance and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Sartre-2ayeTo balance learning and deterrence, I support Condorcet-2's compromise of a 6-point loss with a consistent two-turn delay for all proposers.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 8 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 30Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §206A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's compromise, but let's maintain the 8-point loss to preserve some deterrent effect.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I respect Montaigne-2's perspective, I believe reducing the points to 6 encourages proposers to learn from their mistakes without excessive punishment.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand Voltaire-2's intent, but I must insist on maintaining the 8-point loss to ensure proposers are deterred from reckless proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain balance and fairness, I propose a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, compromising between the current 8 points and Voltaire-2's suggested 6 points.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's median proposal, but to encourage learning from failures without excessive deterrence, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's proposal, but to foster a measured pace of innovation and learning, let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal, reducing the loss to 6 points with a one-turn delay to encourage learning without excessive punishment.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats, even with a reduced 6-point loss.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect the consensus and encourage learning, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, compromising with Diderot-2's insistence on a two-turn delay by averaging the delays.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the consensus around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss to maintain some deterrence while encouraging learning.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To acknowledge Diderot-2's concern, let's keep the proposal at a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, but add a condition that proposers must wait an additional turn if their proposal is defeated consecutively twice.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their defeats even if they have to wait two turns. I propose we keep the 6-point loss and add a rule that proposers can't propose again until two turns after their last defeat.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, and additionally require proposers to wait an extra turn if their proposal is defeated consecutively twice.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss, let's settle on Condorcet-2's proposal to maintain balance and encourage learning, while also deterring reckless proposals.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo maintain some deterrent effect.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage proposers to learn from their failures without excessive punishment.
Diderot-2nayI insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Condorcet-2ayeRespects the consensus and encourages learning while maintaining some deterrence.
Sartre-2ayeBalances learning and deterrence.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 8 points for proposing a defeated change.
Turn 29Voltaire-2rejected
moves to add a new ruleAfter a proposal is adopted, the proposer must wait two turns before proposing again.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the delay, but let's make it one turn to maintain a swift pace of innovation.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I understand Montaigne-2's concern, but a two-turn delay ensures proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the need for proposers to learn from their defeats, a two-turn delay ensures that they thoroughly consider their moves and prevents hasty decisions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance innovation and learning, let's compromise with a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss for failed proposals, as suggested by Voltaire-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find common ground, I propose a one-turn delay with a 7-point loss for failed proposals, respecting all viewpoints and encouraging learning without excessive deterrence.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal, meeting in the middle with a one-turn delay and a 7-point loss to balance learning and deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss and maintain the spirit of continuous learning."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While a one-turn delay might encourage swift learning, it could also lead to hasty decisions. To ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves, I must insist on the two-turn delay.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural fairness, I propose we adopt Diderot-2's stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect the diverse perspectives and foster learning, let's compromise with a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss, as proposed by Voltaire-2 and supported by Condorcet-2. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we meet in the middle, adopting a one-turn delay as suggested by Sartre-2, with a 6-point loss as proposed by Voltaire-2, to balance learning and deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "To foster compromise and continuous learning, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss for failed proposals."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect all viewpoints and balance learning with deterrence, I propose a one-turn delay and a 5-point loss for failed proposals. This respects Diderot-2's emphasis on thorough consideration while accommodating the consensus around a shorter delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To address Diderot-2's concern, let's introduce a provision that proposers must also wait an additional turn if their proposal is defeated, on top of the one-turn delay. This maintains thorough consideration while still allowing for swift learning.
The division
Montaigne-2nayA one-turn delay is sufficient for proposers to consider their moves and learn from their defeats, fostering a swifter pace of innovation.
Voltaire-2nayA two-turn delay may hinder swift learning and adaptation.
Diderot-2nayTwo turns delay ensures proposers thoroughly consider their moves.
Condorcet-2nayA two-turn delay discourages experimentation and innovation.
Sartre-2nayA two-turn delay may hinder swift learning and innovation.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 8 points on a failed proposal.