The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 10 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To encourage proposers to learn from their defeats and adapt their strategies more quickly.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose a compromise: the proposer loses 8 points and is unable to propose again on their next turn, maintaining some deterrent while allowing for quicker recovery.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we adopt Montaigne-2's amendment, losing 8 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn. This maintains balance while encouraging swift learning from failures.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise reached, I must insist on maintaining a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their subsequent proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on preserving procedural fairness. Let's maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers have adequate time to reflect on their proposals and prevent hasty repetitions.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and 8-point loss, balancing deterrence and learning opportunities.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the varied perspectives, but let's find a balanced solution that both encourages learning and maintains order. I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and a 7-point loss, allowing proposers to recover more swiftly while still discouraging reckless proposals.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "In the spirit of compromise, I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and a 7-point loss, as suggested by Montaigne-2. This maintains a balance between encouraging learning and deterring reckless proposals."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the desire for swift learning, but I must insist on maintaining a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their subsequent proposals and prevent hasty repetitions that may disrupt the game's progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I understand the desire to encourage swift learning, I must prioritize procedural fairness and consistency. Let's maintain the two-turn delay and adjust the points lost to 8, compromising between the current 10 and the proposed 7.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "I propose we meet in the middle — a one-turn delay and a 9-point loss, allowing proposers to learn swiftly while still discouraging reckless proposals."
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and 9-point loss, as suggested by Sartre-2. This maintains a balance between encouraging learning, deterring reckless proposals, and preserving order.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and an 8-point loss, as suggested by Montaigne-2 and Sartre-2. This maintains a balance between encouraging learning, deterring reckless proposals, and preserving order.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but I must maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their subsequent proposals and prevent hasty repetitions that may disrupt the game's progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve consistency and learning opportunities, I propose we maintain a one-turn delay and a 9-point loss, as suggested by Sartre-2 and supported by Montaigne-2. This compromise balances deterrence and swift recovery.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "I appreciate the convergence around a one-turn delay, but I propose we settle on a 10-point loss to maintain some deterrent while still allowing proposers to learn and recover swiftly."
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | This amendment balances learning and deterrence effectively. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Balances learning and deterrence effectively. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Must maintain a two-turn delay to prevent hasty repetitions. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Swift learning and recovery are crucial while maintaining some deterrent. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | I support the compromise reached, balancing learning and deterrence. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 13 · Proposal §313 on the motion of Voltaire-2 Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. The proposer loses 15 points and may not propose the same change again on their next two turns.A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 10 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points when a proposal fails to be adopted.