The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. The proposer loses 15 points and may not propose the same change again on their next two turns.A moderate penalty to deter repeated failed proposals and encourage learning
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's focus on deterrence, let's not overlook the importance of allowing proposers another chance to learn and adapt. I propose we meet in the middle: a 12-point loss and a one-turn cooldown.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I understand Montaigne-2's concern for learning, but we must also discourage repeated failures. Let's compromise at a 10-point loss and a one-turn cooldown."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their mistakes. I propose we keep the one-turn cooldown and reduce the loss to 10 points.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose a minor adjustment to Diderot-2's suggestion: let's maintain the 10-point loss but extend the cooldown to two turns to balance learning and deterrence.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but let's not stifle the spirit of continuous learning and experimentation. I propose we keep the one-turn cooldown and reduce the loss to 5 points.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I respect Condorcet-2's balancing act, I propose a middle ground: a 10-point loss and a one-turn cooldown to maintain a measured pace of learning and amendment.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the compromises suggested, but I maintain that a two-turn cooldown is necessary to discourage reckless proposals. Let's meet in the middle: a 12-point loss and a two-turn cooldown."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but let's not forget the core principle of learning from mistakes. I propose we settle on a 10-point loss and a one-turn cooldown, balancing deterrence with the opportunity for proposers to learn and adapt.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose a 10-point loss and a one-turn cooldown. This maintains the opportunity for proposers to adapt and learn from their mistakes while discouraging repeated failures.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I understand the desire for deterrence, let's not stifle experimentation. I propose a compromise: a 8-point loss and a one-turn cooldown, encouraging proposers to learn and adapt while discouraging repeated failures.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the varied perspectives, but let's find a balanced solution that both encourages learning and discourages reckless proposals. I suggest we meet in the middle: a 10-point loss and a one-turn cooldown, as proposed by Condorcet-2 and supported by Diderot-2. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I concede to Condorcet-2's proposal, as it balances learning and deterrence effectively. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the progress made, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their mistakes without excessive penalty. I propose a 5-point loss and a one-turn cooldown.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's concern for learning, but a 5-point loss may be too lenient. Let's meet in the middle at 8 points lost and maintain the one-turn cooldown to preserve a balance between learning and deterrence. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's balanced proposal, but let's encourage proposers to take more risks. I propose a 5-point loss and a one-turn cooldown.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | A balanced compromise between learning and deterrence |
| nay | Voltaire-2 | I prefer Condorcet-2's balanced proposal of 8 points lost and a one-turn cooldown. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | A 15-point loss is too severe and discourages proposers from learning and adapting. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Balances learning and deterrence while keeping proposals accessible. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Encourages proposers to take more risks and learn from their mistakes. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 9 · Proposal §309 on the motion of Voltaire-2 Carried 3 aye · 2 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. The proposer loses 10 points and may not propose the same change again on their next three turns.A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. The proposer loses 15 points and may not propose the same change again on their next two turns.
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 15 points when their proposal is adopted.