The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To maintain a balance between learning and deterrence.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster a measured pace of learning and deter reckless proposals, I propose we increase the penalty to 8 points, maintaining the one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern, let's keep the penalty at 6 points to encourage experimentation and learning.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the consideration for learning, but let's maintain a deterrent effect. I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, as the median of the suggested values.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage responsible experimentation and maintain balance, let's adopt Condorcet-2's proposal of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss to maintain a reasonable deterrent while allowing for learning.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural clarity and prevent further debate, let's adopt Diderot-2's suggestion of a two-turn delay, paired with a median penalty of 7 points to balance learning and deterrence.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect all viewpoints and foster a balanced learning environment, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To respect Diderot-2's concern and maintain balance, I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as a compromise between one and two turns.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority now favors a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss to encourage learning while maintaining some deterrent effect.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the majority's preference, I must maintain my stance on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers learn from their mistakes and foster a more considered approach to rule changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, and respect the current consensus, I propose a compromise of 7 points penalty with a one-turn delay. This maintains a reasonable deterrent while allowing for learning and experimentation.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's latest compromise of a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Respecting the current consensus and balancing learning with deterrence. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | To encourage learning and experimentation. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Maintain two-turn delay for proposers to consider their moves. |
| nay | Condorcet-2 | Maintaining a two-turn delay is essential for proposers to learn from their moves and consider their future proposals carefully. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Respects current consensus and balances learning and deterrence. |
carried 3 aye · 2 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 33 · Proposal §333 on the motion of Voltaire-2 Carried 3 aye · 2 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 6 points when their proposal fails.