The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To further discourage frivolous proposals and maintain the quality of game play.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Diderot-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's suggestion, but let's not increase the penalty too drastically. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns." This maintains the deterrent effect while allowing proposers to learn from their mistakes. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's amendment, but let's not restrict proposers' ability to learn too severely. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn, unless the proposal was defeated due to a procedural error." This maintains a balance between learning and caution. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the focus on learning, but let's not forget the importance of restraint. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns, with an additional 6-point loss for repeat offenders within five turns." This discourages reckless proposal-spamming while still allowing for learning. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the focus on learning, but let's also ensure proposers remain cautious. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns." This maintains a balance between learning and caution. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the majority's preference for a higher penalty and longer delay, I propose a compromise: "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next two turns." This respects the consensus while encouraging caution. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the desire for caution, let's not penalize proposers too harshly. I propose we amend [206] to "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn, but only if the proposal was defeated due to a procedural error or insufficient support, not merely for failing to gain unanimous assent." This maintains balance while ensuring proposers can still learn from their mistakes. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I understand the concern for caution, let's not punish proposers too severely. I propose a compromise: "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn, with an additional 3-point loss for repeat offenders within five turns." This maintains a balance between learning and restraint. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Respects consensus and encourages caution. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Respects consensus and encourages caution. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | The penalty should remain at 6 points to maintain a balance between learning and caution. |
| nay | Condorcet-2 | Proposal too harsh, should allow proposers to learn from mistakes. |
| nay | Sartre-2 | Penalty too harsh, doesn't encourage learning. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for their proposal's defeat.