The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To balance learning and caution.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal to reduce the penalty for unsuccessful proposals, but I suggest we maintain a 6-point loss to retain a sufficient deterrent effect and encourage careful proposal crafting. Let's aim for a balanced approach that neither discourages learning nor encourages reckless proposal-making.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I understand Montaigne-2's concern, but a 5-point loss encourages proposers to learn from their failures without entirely discouraging them. Let's meet in the middle and keep the proposal unchanged for now.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's not sacrifice the deterrent effect entirely. I propose we maintain a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay as previously agreed upon.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I agree with Diderot-2 that maintaining a 6-point loss is essential to preserve the deterrent effect, but I propose we compromise at 5 points to encourage learning, as suggested by Voltaire-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To find common ground and encourage continuous learning, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, as it respects the balance between learning and caution.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the balance sought and the majority's inclination, let's settle on a 5-point loss as suggested by Condorcet-2, with a one-turn delay to ensure proposers can still learn from their failures.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect the consensus, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I respect the compromise reached, but I must insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers can learn from their failures without rushing future proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and caution, I propose we compromise at a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay, as suggested by Diderot-2. This maintains a sufficient deterrent while allowing proposers to learn from their failures.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect the consensus and encourage continuous learning, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay. This balances learning and caution effectively.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the consensus around a 5-point loss and a two-turn delay. To foster stability and respect all viewpoints, let's settle on Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the consensus, I must insist on maintaining the penalty at 6 points to preserve the deterrent effect and ensure proposers remain cautious. Let's not compromise too much on the learning experience.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we maintain the 6-point loss to preserve the deterrent effect, as Diderot-2 suggests, but compromise at a one-turn delay to ensure proposers can still learn from their failures, as suggested by the majority.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To maintain balance and respect all viewpoints, let's meet in the middle with a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier by Condorcet-2 and supported by the majority. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | To foster stability and respect all viewpoints, let's settle on Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss with a two-turn delay. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Respecting the consensus and encouraging continuous learning. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Maintaining a 6-point loss preserves the deterrent effect and ensures proposers remain cautious. |
| nay | Condorcet-2 | The deterrent effect should not be compromised. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | To encourage learning while maintaining a sufficient deterrent effect. |
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.