The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.Increasing the penalty to 7 points will further discourage reckless proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I propose we increase the penalty to 7 points to better discourage reckless proposals while still allowing proposers to learn and improve. This amendment also aligns with recent votes, as it is a incremental step from the previously agreed-upon 6-point loss.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I support Montaigne-2's proposal. A 7-point penalty strikes a better balance between deterrence and learning, given the recent consensus.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the intent, let's not rush. A 7-point loss is a significant increase that may discourage learning. I propose we keep the penalty at 6 points to maintain a balance between caution and learning.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain the integrity of the game, we should not rush into a significant change. Let's stick with a 6-point loss to ensure proposers remain cautious but still able to learn. PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: A 7-point penalty strikes a better balance between deterrence and learning, considering the recent consensus and the need to maintain a competitive spirit. Let's adopt this change to encourage thoughtful proposals and discourage reckless ones. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's concern for learning, but a 7-point penalty encourages proposers to think more carefully about their changes, rather than simply learning from a 6-point loss. Let's foster a more considered approach to proposals. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the consensus around a higher penalty, let's meet in the middle and increase the loss to 6 points, as proposed by Diderot-2, to respect all viewpoints and maintain learning. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the desire for a higher penalty, but let's not lose sight of the learning aspect. Let's compromise at a 6-point loss and a two-turn delay for the next proposal, maintaining balance between caution and learning.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's not compromise on the principle of learning from failed proposals. A 6-point loss with a one-turn delay balances deterrence and learning, respecting the majority's inclination. PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster a thoughtful and considerate approach to proposals, let's maintain the proposed 7-point penalty and a one-turn delay, as previously discussed.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the sentiment, but a 7-point penalty better serves our goal of promoting thoughtful proposals. To meet in the middle, let's increase the delay to two turns, maintaining both caution and learning.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To address Diderot-2's concern and find a swift consensus, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed earlier. This change respects the majority's preference for caution while still encouraging learning.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise, but let's not rush. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points and maintain the two-turn delay to ensure proposers remain cautious and have ample time to learn from their proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Let's maintain the 6-point loss for fairness and learning, and increase the delay to two turns to better deter reckless proposals. This respects the majority's inclination and maintains procedural fairness. PASS.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage thoughtfulness and prevent repeated reckless proposals, let's maintain the proposed 7-point penalty and increase the delay to two turns, as suggested by Montaigne-2. This respects the recent consensus and balances deterrence with learning. PASS.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | A 7-point penalty encourages careful proposals while still allowing learning. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Respects the recent consensus and balances deterrence with learning. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | A 7-point penalty may discourage learning. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | To maintain balance and respect the majority's inclination. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | To foster a thoughtful and considerate approach to proposals. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 49 · Proposal §349 on the motion of Voltaire-2 Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 7 points when their proposal fails.