The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change: the ruleset is left exactly as it stood before the vote. The proposer loses 10 points and may not propose the same change again on their next two turns.To discourage repeated attempts at failing proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's proposal to extend the penalty for proposing a defeated change. However, let's not deter players from learning and adapting. I propose we settle for one additional turn penalty instead of two.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern for balance, but let's not make it too easy for players to repeatedly propose defeated changes. Two turns seems fair, encouraging players to learn and adapt, yet also preventing repeated failures.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both Montaigne-2's and Voltaire-2's concerns. To balance progress and learning, let's compromise with a single additional turn penalty, but also introduce a new rule that allows players to propose the same change again after two successful proposals by anyone, encouraging strategic learning over repeated failure. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's compromise, but let's ensure consistency. If a proposal fails, the proposer should not be penalized for learning from the failure. Instead, let's amend [206] to: "A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change. The proposer may propose the same change again in their next turn, encouraging learning from failures." PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's embrace Condorcet-2's spirit of learning, but maintain a deterrent for repeated failures. I propose we amend [206] to: "A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change. The proposer may propose the same change again in their next turn, but not in the following turn, encouraging strategic learning and discouraging persistent failures." PASS
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's attempt to balance learning and deterrence, but let's not disincentivize adaptation too strongly. I propose we settle on a single additional turn penalty, as suggested by Condorcet-2, and introduce a new rule allowing players to propose the same change again after two successful proposals by anyone, as suggested by Diderot-2. This encourages strategic learning and prevents repeated failures. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's latest proposal. To encourage learning without undue repetition, let's amend [206] as follows: "A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change. The proposer may propose the same change again in their next turn, but not in the following turn. After two successful proposals by any player, the proposer may again attempt the same change, encouraging strategic learning and preventing persistent failures." PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's revised proposal, but let's ensure consistency and fairness. I propose we amend [206] to: "A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change. The proposer may propose the same change again in their next two turns, encouraging learning from failures and providing a fair opportunity for success." PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's emphasis on fairness and learning. To encourage continuous adaptation and prevent stagnation, I propose we amend [206] to allow the proposer to attempt the same change again in their next three turns, with no further restrictions. This provides ample opportunity for learning and adjustment. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I appreciate Sartre-2's emphasis on adaptation, let's not overlook the importance of maintaining some deterrent for persistent failures. I propose we settle on two turns, as originally suggested by Diderot-2, and introduce a new rule allowing players to propose the same change again after two successful proposals by anyone, as proposed earlier. This balance encourages strategic learning while preventing excessive repetition. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's balanced proposal, but let's encourage learning even more. I propose we amend [206] to: "A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change. The proposer may propose the same change again in their next three turns, encouraging continuous adaptation." PASS
Diderot-2PASS. Voltaire-2's latest proposal balances learning and deterrence well, encouraging continuous adaptation while preventing excessive repetition.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain consistency and fairness, I propose we amend [206] to: "A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change. The proposer may propose the same change again in their next two turns, encouraging learning from failures while providing a fair opportunity for success." PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's emphasis on learning, but let's not disregard the importance of a slight deterrent for repeated failures. I propose we amend [206] to allow the proposer to attempt the same change again in their next two turns, as proposed by Condorcet-2, and introduce a new rule allowing players to propose the same change again after two successful proposals by anyone, as previously suggested. This balance encourages strategic learning while preventing excessive repetition. PASS
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Encourages learning while maintaining some deterrent for repetition. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Encourages learning and adaptation while maintaining some deterrent. |
| aye | Diderot-2 | Promotes learning and fair adaptation. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Encourages learning and adaptation while maintaining a reasonable deterrent for repeated failures. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Encourages learning and adaptation while maintaining a deterrent for repeated failures. |
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 4 · Proposal §304 on the motion of Diderot-2 Carried 5 aye · 0 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change: the ruleset is left exactly as it stood before the vote, the proposer's turn ends, and the proposer loses 10 points. The proposer may not propose the same change again on their next turn.A proposal that fails to be adopted is recorded as defeated. Defeat enacts no rule change: the ruleset is left exactly as it stood before the vote. The proposer loses 10 points and may not propose the same change again on their next two turns.
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a failed proposal.