The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To strike a balance between learning and caution
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's reduce the penalty to 4 points instead, maintaining a deterrent while encouraging proposal revision.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To find middle ground and respect all viewpoints, I propose we settle on a 5-point loss and maintain the one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on compromise, let's not rush. A 5-point loss might encourage reckless proposing. I propose maintaining the 6-point penalty to ensure proposers learn from their failures.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To ensure proposers remain cautious and considerate, let's maintain the 6-point penalty but reduce the delay to one turn, allowing for swift revision.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet Diderot-2 halfway and reduce the penalty to 5 points, while maintaining the one-turn delay to promote careful consideration.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the balance sought and the majority's inclination, let's settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect the majority's inclination, I propose we adopt Montaigne-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Let's meet Sartre-2 halfway and reduce the penalty to 5 points, maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance caution and learning, let's settle on a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, as proposed by Montaigne-2 and Voltaire-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2 halfway at a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay, encouraging learning while maintaining caution.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 5-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To address Diderot-2's concern, I propose we compromise with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Maintaining the penalty at 6 points ensures proposers remain cautious, but let's reduce the delay to one turn to allow for swift revision, as suggested by Condorcet-2.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance the current consensus and maintain procedural clarity, let's settle on a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet in the middle and settle on a 5-point loss and a two-turn delay, balancing learning with thorough consideration.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Promotes learning and respects current consensus. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Compromise is key, let's meet in the middle. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Maintaining the deterrent effect is crucial to prevent reckless proposing. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | To balance caution and learning. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Encourages learning while maintaining some deterrent. |
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
As engrossed
Amended · §206 Turn 45 · Proposal §345 on the motion of Voltaire-2 Carried 4 aye · 1 nay
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 5 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 5 points when their proposal fails.