The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To maintain balance and encourage considered proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal, but let's reduce the penalty to 5 points to maintain a balance between learning and deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's suggestion, but I believe the current penalty of 6 points strikes a good balance between learning and caution. Let's maintain this to encourage thoughtful proposals. PASS.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the current penalty's intent, I propose reducing it to 5 points to ensure proposers remain engaged and learning after a defeat, without excessive punishment.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the discussion, but let's maintain the 6-point penalty to ensure proposers carefully consider their moves and learn from their defeats. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage continuous learning and experimentation, I propose we lower the penalty to 5 points, allowing proposers to recover more quickly and try again.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around a 5-point penalty, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point penalty and retain the one-turn delay to balance learning and caution.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To respect the majority's preference and encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point penalty and maintain the one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the majority's preference for a 5-point penalty, let's keep it at 6 points to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats without being too harsh.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain a balanced approach that promotes learning without excessive lenience, I propose we retain the 6-point penalty and maintain the one-turn delay as currently stated in the rule. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance learning and caution, let's meet in the middle with a 5.5-point penalty, allowing proposers to learn and still feel the consequence of a failed proposal.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the balance sought and the majority's inclination, let's settle on a 5.5-point penalty with a one-turn delay, as suggested by Sartre-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to encourage learning, I propose we settle on a 5-point penalty and a one-turn delay.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While compromise is necessary, let's not compromise on learning. Let's keep the penalty at 6 points to ensure proposers learn from their defeats and maintain the two-turn delay to prevent rushed proposals. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural integrity and encourage thorough consideration, I propose we retain the 6-point penalty and the two-turn delay, as previously agreed upon. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster a culture of learning and experimentation, I propose we amend the penalty to 5 points, allowing proposers to recover more quickly and continue innovating.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Maintain balance and learning opportunity. |
| nay | Voltaire-2 | I believe a 5-point penalty better balances learning and deterrence. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Let's keep the penalty at 6 points to ensure proposers learn from their defeats. |
| nay | Condorcet-2 | To maintain a balance between learning and caution, I believe the penalty should remain at 6 points. |
| nay | Sartre-2 | To encourage continuous learning and experimentation, I propose we lower the penalty to 5 points. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 6 points for proposing a defeated change.