The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To encourage proposers to learn from their defeats and adapt their strategies.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I appreciate Voltaire-2's compromise, but let's maintain the 8-point loss to preserve some deterrent effect.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I respect Montaigne-2's perspective, I believe reducing the points to 6 encourages proposers to learn from their mistakes without excessive punishment.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand Voltaire-2's intent, but I must insist on maintaining the 8-point loss to ensure proposers are deterred from reckless proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain balance and fairness, I propose a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, compromising between the current 8 points and Voltaire-2's suggested 6 points.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's median proposal, but to encourage learning from failures without excessive deterrence, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's proposal, but to foster a measured pace of innovation and learning, let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal, reducing the loss to 6 points with a one-turn delay to encourage learning without excessive punishment.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats, even with a reduced 6-point loss.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect the consensus and encourage learning, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, compromising with Diderot-2's insistence on a two-turn delay by averaging the delays.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the consensus around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss to maintain some deterrence while encouraging learning.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To acknowledge Diderot-2's concern, let's keep the proposal at a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay, but add a condition that proposers must wait an additional turn if their proposal is defeated consecutively twice.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their defeats even if they have to wait two turns. I propose we keep the 6-point loss and add a rule that proposers can't propose again until two turns after their last defeat.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance learning and deterrence, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay, and additionally require proposers to wait an extra turn if their proposal is defeated consecutively twice.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss, let's settle on Condorcet-2's proposal to maintain balance and encourage learning, while also deterring reckless proposals.
The division
| nay | Montaigne-2 | To maintain some deterrent effect. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | To encourage proposers to learn from their failures without excessive punishment. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | I insist on maintaining the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their moves. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Respects the consensus and encourages learning while maintaining some deterrence. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Balances learning and deterrence. |
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 8 points for proposing a defeated change.