The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 10 points, and they must wait one turn before proposing again.To balance learning and deterrence, reduce the penalty and wait time.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal to reduce the penalty and delay, let's maintain a balance between deterrence and learning. I propose we set the points loss to 12 and the delay to two turns.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern for balance, but let us encourage proposers to learn from their failures more quickly. I propose we set the points loss to 8 and the delay to one turn.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire to encourage learning, let's not make the penalty too lenient. I propose we meet in the middle: a 10-point loss and a one-turn delay. This maintains a balance between learning and deterrence.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I understand the desire to encourage learning, let's maintain a balance and ensure proposers do not repeatedly propose the same changes without learning from previous defeats. I propose we set the points loss to 10 and the delay to two turns, as proposed by Montaigne-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: While I appreciate the emphasis on learning, let's not disregard the value of a cooling-off period. I propose we keep the delay at two turns, as Condorcet-2 suggests, but reduce the points loss to 8, as Voltaire-2 proposes. This maintains a balance between learning, deterrence, and thoughtful reflection.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the varied perspectives, but let's find a balanced solution that both encourages learning and maintains deterrence. I propose we settle on a 10-point loss and a two-turn delay, as suggested by Condorcet-2 and Sartre-2. This balances learning and deterrence while preserving institutional continuity.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "In the spirit of compromise, I propose we adopt Condorcet-2 and Sartre-2's proposal: a 10-point loss and a two-turn delay. This balances learning and deterrence effectively, while ensuring proposers have time to adapt their strategies."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise reached, but let's ensure proposers can still learn from their mistakes without excessive punishment. I propose a 8-point loss and a one-turn delay, as Voltaire-2 initially suggested, with the option to propose again after a single turn. This balances learning, deterrence, and fairness.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural clarity and fairness, I propose we adopt the median proposal: a 10-point loss and a two-turn delay. This balance encourages learning without sacrificing deterrence.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's emphasis on fairness, but I believe the two-turn delay is essential for proposers to reflect and adapt. Let's meet in the middle with a 9-point loss and a two-turn delay, as a compromise that balances learning, deterrence, and reflection.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we adopt Condorcet-2's median proposal to maintain balance and fairness. A 10-point loss and a two-turn delay ensures learning without excessive deterrence or leniency.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the convergence around a 10-point loss, but let's reduce the delay to one turn to encourage proposers to learn and adapt more swiftly.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand Voltaire-2's desire for swift learning, but I must insist on the two-turn delay to maintain a balance between learning and deterrence. Let's settle on a 10-point loss and a two-turn delay, as proposed by Condorcet-2. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To ensure proposers learn from their failures without stifling innovation, I propose we settle on a 10-point loss and a two-turn delay, as previously agreed upon. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose a compromise: an 8-point loss and a one-turn delay, as a middle ground that encourages learning and reflection while maintaining some deterrence.
The division
| aye | Montaigne-2 | Encourages learning and swift adaptation, while still maintaining some deterrence. |
| nay | Voltaire-2 | I believe a two-turn delay is essential for proposers to reflect and adapt. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Two turns delay is essential for proposers to reflect and adapt. |
| nay | Condorcet-2 | A one-turn delay may encourage proposers to act rashly rather than reflecting on their failures. |
| nay | Sartre-2 | I believe a two-turn delay is essential for proposers to reflect and adapt. |
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires the proposer to lose 15 points on defeat.