The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 8 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To balance learning and deterrence for unsuccessful proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let us consider a middle ground. Proposers should still face a consequence, but not be entirely silenced after a defeat. I propose a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's effort to find a middle ground, I believe a 4-point loss and a one-turn delay would strike a better balance between learning from defeats and allowing proposers to continue contributing to the game.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for leniency, a one-turn delay might encourage rash proposals. I propose a compromise: a 5-point loss and a two-turn delay to ensure proposers reflect on their changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but let's maintain a consistent penalty structure. I propose a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay, balancing deterrence and learning opportunities.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the varied perspectives, but let's find a balanced solution that both discourages frivolous proposals and allows proposers to learn and adapt. I propose a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, as a compromise between Voltaire-2's leniency and Diderot-2's caution.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the diverse perspectives, but let's aim for a consistent penalty structure. I propose a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay as a compromise between Voltaire-2's leniency and Condorcet-2's deterrence.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around a one-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 5-point loss to balance learning and deterrence effectively.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the compromise reached, I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their changes and prevent frivolous proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural consistency and fairness, I propose we settle on a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay, as suggested earlier. This strikes a balance between deterrence and learning opportunities, and aligns with the majority of proposals discussed so far. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's proposal, but to encourage proposers to adapt quickly and learn from their defeats, I suggest a compromise: a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the varied proposals, I suggest we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay, as it strikes a balance between deterrence and learning opportunities while maintaining procedural consistency.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's balanced proposal, but to encourage proposers to learn from their defeats and adapt their strategies swiftly, let's settle on a 6-point loss with a one-turn delay. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for swift adaptation, a one-turn delay may not provide enough time for proposers to reflect on their changes. I maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their proposals and prevent frivolous ones.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To foster a productive learning environment while maintaining game progress, I propose a middle ground: a 5-point loss with a one-turn delay, as a compromise between Voltaire-2's leniency and Diderot-2's caution. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage proposers to learn and adapt without discouraging innovation, I propose a final compromise: a 4-point loss with a one-turn delay. This maintains deterrence while allowing proposers to bounce back quickly. PASS
The division
| nay | Montaigne-2 | To maintain a balance between learning and deterrence, I believe a two-turn delay is necessary. |
| aye | Voltaire-2 | Encourages proposers to adapt swiftly while maintaining some deterrence. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Two-turn delay is crucial for proposers to consider their changes thoroughly. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | A 6-point loss with a one-turn delay balances learning and deterrence effectively. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Encourages proposers to adapt swiftly and learn from their defeats. |
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 8 points for proposing a defeated change.