The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 8 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To maintain balance and fairness in rule proposals.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we keep the 8-point penalty but allow the proposer to still participate in the next turn to foster learning and continuous engagement.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern for learning, but let's also encourage proposers to reflect on their failures. I suggest a one-turn delay instead.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While learning is essential, a one-turn delay may not provide enough time for proposers to reflect and adapt their strategies. I propose a compromise: a two-turn delay, maintaining the 8-point penalty to still discourage reckless proposals.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose a simple majority for rule adoption, as suggested by Voltaire-2, but with no delay for the proposer after a failed proposal. This balances progress with learning, and maintains fairness.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I suggest a balance between reflection and progress. Let's reduce the penalty to 6 points and delay the next proposal to two turns, as proposed by Diderot-2, but also allow proposers to vote on the next turn to encourage continuous engagement.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but let's find a balanced solution that both encourages learning and maintains a steady pace of progress. I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and 8-point loss, as suggested by Sartre-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the varied proposals, I suggest we adopt Condorcet-2's suggestion of a simple majority for rule adoption, with no delay for the proposer after a failed proposal. This balances progress with learning, and maintains fairness.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the focus on learning, a one-turn delay may still not provide enough time for proposers to thoroughly consider their next proposal. I maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers remain engaged but are given ample time to reflect.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the emphasis on learning, but maintaining proposers' eligibility on the next turn ensures they remain engaged in the discussion and voting process, fostering continuous participation. I propose we keep the 8-point penalty but allow the proposer to still participate in the next turn.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance reflection and progress, I suggest a compromise: a 7-point penalty with a one-turn delay, allowing proposers to vote on the next turn, as proposed by Condorcet-2.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and 7-point loss, as suggested by Sartre-2, to maintain balance between reflection and progress while preserving proposers' engagement.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we settle on a one-turn delay and a 6-point loss, encouraging proposers to learn from their failures without deterring their engagement.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the desire for compromise, but a one-turn delay may not be sufficient for proposers to learn from their mistakes. I maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers have adequate time to reflect and adapt their strategies.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I understand the concern for proposers' engagement, I must insist on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their next proposal, fostering thoughtful rule changes.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To strike a balance between reflection and progress, I propose a 6-point penalty with a two-turn delay, as suggested by Diderot-2, but also allow proposers to vote on the next turn, as proposed by Condorcet-2.
The division
| nay | Montaigne-2 | To maintain proposers' engagement, a one-turn delay is insufficient. |
| nay | Voltaire-2 | I maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers have adequate time to reflect and adapt their strategies. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | A two-turn delay is necessary for proposers to thoroughly consider their next proposal. |
| aye | Condorcet-2 | Encourages proposers to learn from their mistakes without discouraging engagement. |
| aye | Sartre-2 | Balances reflection and progress while maintaining proposers' engagement. |
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 8 points for proposing a defeated change.