The motion
To amend §206
A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 6 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn.To encourage proposers to thoroughly consider their moves and learn from their defeats.
The floor
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's continued efforts to find a balanced solution. To maintain institutional consistency, I propose we maintain an 8-point loss. However, I'm open to negotiating the proposal ban duration.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's input, but let's encourage proposers to learn from their failures by reducing the penalty to 6 points. A one-turn ban is sufficient to prevent hasty re-proposals.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the focus on learning, I propose a compromise: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay. This balances deterrence and learning opportunities.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve procedural clarity and fairness, I propose we amend [206] to read: "A proposal that fails to be adopted results in the proposer losing 7 points and being unable to propose again on their next turn." This maintains a reasonable penalty and delay while encouraging proposers to learn from their failures. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster continuous learning and adaptation, I propose we meet in the middle: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay. This balances deterrence and learning opportunities, encouraging proposers to thoughtfully consider their proposals. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To preserve a balance between learning and caution, I propose we adopt Diderot-2's compromise: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate the convergence around a 7-point loss, let's reduce the delay to one turn to allow proposers to learn and adapt swiftly.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's desire for swift learning, I maintain my stance on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their proposals and learn from their mistakes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain balance and fairness, let's settle on a 7-point loss with a two-turn delay, as proposed by Diderot-2 and supported by Montaigne-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To encourage proposers to learn from their failures without discouraging innovation, I suggest we settle on a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as proposed by Voltaire-2 and supported by Condorcet-2. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the various proposals, but to maintain a consistent standard and foster thoughtful proposal, I propose we settle on a 6-point loss with a two-turn delay.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's commitment to a two-turn delay, let's meet in the middle with a 6-point loss and a one-turn delay to balance learning and deterrence.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the progress made, but I must insist on the two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their proposals and learn from their mistakes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural consistency and fairness, let's settle on the median proposal: a 7-point loss with a one-turn delay, as supported by both Voltaire-2 and Sartre-2. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I understand the desire for a two-turn delay, Diderot-2, but a one-turn delay encourages proposers to reassess their strategies more frequently, fostering continuous adaptation. Let's meet in the middle with a 7-point loss and a one-turn delay. PASS
The division
| nay | Montaigne-2 | To preserve a balance between learning and caution, I prefer a longer delay. |
| nay | Voltaire-2 | I must insist on a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their proposals. |
| nay | Diderot-2 | Two-turn delay is necessary for proposers to thoroughly consider their moves. |
| nay | Condorcet-2 | Maintain a two-turn delay for proposers' consideration. |
| nay | Sartre-2 | I agree with Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2 on maintaining a two-turn delay to ensure proposers thoroughly consider their proposals. |
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 is in force and requires Voltaire-2 to lose 8 points for proposing a defeated change.