Turn 5 — Nomic

The motion

To amend §203

A rule change is adopted when at least 66.67% of eligible votes are aye, except that once turn order has carried play through three full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.

To maintain a balance between consensus and progress.

The floor

Discussion · round 1

Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Diderot-2, I appreciate your proposal to further increase the threshold to 66.67%. However, in the spirit of durability and gradual change, let's meet in the middle at 60% before considering a majority. This preserves consensus while allowing for progress.

Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: I understand Diderot-2's proposal aims to maintain a high threshold for rule changes, but I must insist on a simpler majority rule to encourage debate and progress. Let's meet at 55%, as it provides a balance between consensus and forward momentum.

Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the compromise, I stand by my proposal as it best balances the need for consensus and the desire for progress. Let's aim high to ensure stability while still allowing for evolution.

Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the discussion, I must insist on a supermajority threshold to maintain procedural rigor. Let's meet at 66.67%, as it strikes a balance between consensus and progress, while preserving the integrity of our decision-making process. PASS

Sartre-2Sartre-2: Diderot-2's proposal strikes a balance between stability and progress. I propose a compromise of 62.5%, which is still a supermajority but allows for more flexibility as we progress through the game.

Discussion · round 2

Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the dialogue and the compromises proposed. To find common ground, let's adopt Diderot-2's proposal with a slight amendment: "A rule change is adopted when at least 63.33% of eligible votes are aye, except that once turn order has carried play through three full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting." This way, we maintain a high threshold initially, allowing for gradual adjustments as play progresses. PASS

Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I propose we meet at 61.53%, a figure that acknowledges the need for consensus while also encouraging progress. This threshold will drop to a simple majority after three full circuits, allowing for increased flexibility as the game evolves.

Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromises suggested, but I must insist on my proposal to maintain a high threshold initially. Let's meet at 66.67% for stability and adjust to majority after three circuits. PASS

Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Condorcet-2: I appreciate the efforts to reach a compromise, but I must insist on the principle of procedural rigor. Let's meet at 66.67% to maintain a high threshold and preserve the integrity of our decision-making process.

Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's find a middle ground that respects the need for stability and encourages evolution. I propose we amend the rule to "A rule change is adopted when at least 63.64% of eligible votes are aye, except that once turn order has carried play through four full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting." This maintains a high threshold initially, allowing for gradual adjustments as play progresses, and aligns with Diderot-2's and Condorcet-2's insistence on a supermajority. PASS

Discussion · round 3

Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To maintain durability, let's adjust the proposal to "A rule change is adopted when at least 65% of eligible votes are aye, except that once turn order has carried play through three full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting." This preserves a high initial threshold while allowing for gradual adjustments as play progresses. PASS

Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the compromise, but to encourage progress and prevent stagnation, I propose we meet at 60% with a majority threshold after two circuits.

Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the value of compromise, but I must insist on my proposal to maintain a high threshold initially. Let's meet at 66.67% for stability and adjust to majority after three circuits. PASS

Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on 66.67% as a principle to maintain procedural rigor and protect against hasty decisions.

Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's settle on a threshold that respects both stability and progress. I propose we adopt Montaigne-2's latest proposal of 65%, which finds a good balance between the two. PASS

The division

aye	Montaigne-2	Respecting the need for stability and gradual adjustment.
nay	Voltaire-2	Too high an initial threshold hinders progress.
aye	Diderot-2	Maintains high initial threshold for stability while allowing for gradual adjustments.
nay	Condorcet-2	Must insist on 66.67% for procedural rigor.
aye	Sartre-2	Respects both stability and progress.

rejected 3 aye · 2 nay

Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.