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Turn 28Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 61% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2To foster a balance between stability and progress, I propose we amend [203] to "A rule change is adopted when at least 62% of eligible voters vote aye." This maintains the durability of our consensus while encouraging steady progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern for stability, but to truly encourage progress, I propose we settle at 61% to maintain a balance and prevent stagnation.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that preserves the integrity of our collective decision-making. I propose we settle at 61.5% to respect all viewpoints and ensure a fair balance.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural fairness and respect the recent consensus, I propose we amend [203] to "A rule change is adopted when at least 61.5% of eligible voters vote aye."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet in the middle at 61.5%, as proposed by Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we meet at 61.5% as a final compromise, as suggested by Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we meet at 61.25% as a final compromise, acknowledging the convergence around this figure while encouraging steady progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the convergence around 61.5%, to maintain a balance between progress and stability, I propose we settle at 62% as a final compromise.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect the recent consensus and maintain procedural fairness, I must insist on 61.5% as the final compromise, as previously agreed.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find common ground and respect all viewpoints, I propose we settle at 61.5%, as previously suggested by Diderot-2 and Condorcet-2.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "I appreciate Diderot-2's and Condorcet-2's insistence on maintaining a threshold of 61.5%. To foster both stability and progress, I propose we adopt this compromise."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate the compromise at 61.5%, to truly foster progress and maintain balance, I propose we settle at 61% as a final compromise.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's desire for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that ensures fairness and respect for all viewpoints. I propose we settle at 61.5% as a final compromise.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "To respect the recent consensus and maintain procedural fairness, I propose we settle on 61.5% as the final compromise, as previously agreed."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To honor the spirit of compromise and the recent consensus, I propose we settle on 61.5% as the final compromise, as suggested by Diderot-2, Condorcet-2, and now supported by Montaigne-2. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo maintain balance and encourage steady progress.
Voltaire-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 61.5% ensures fairness and balances progress with stability.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain fairness and respect all viewpoints, 61.5% is the fairest compromise.
Condorcet-2nayTo respect the recent consensus and maintain procedural fairness, we must insist on 61.5%.
Sartre-2nayTo maintain fairness and respect all viewpoints, I must insist on 61.5%.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 27Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 62% of eligible voters vote aye.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo encourage steady progress while respecting all viewpoints.
Voltaire-2nay62% is too low, it should be 65%
Diderot-2nayMaintaining a higher threshold preserves consensus.
Condorcet-2nayIncreasing the threshold too rapidly may hinder progress.
Sartre-2ayePromoting steady progress while respecting all viewpoints.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 26Voltaire-2rejected
moves to add a new ruleA rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds (66.67%) of eligible voters vote aye, unless a higher threshold has been set.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of measured amendments and respecting the recent convergence, let's adopt 61.5% as our current threshold while allowing for future adjustments.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's perspective, but to ensure durability and prevent impulsive decisions, I propose we maintain the threshold at two-thirds (66.67%), with the option to adjust it later if necessary.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's concern for stability, a higher threshold may hinder progress. Let's maintain our recent compromise at 61.5% while keeping the door open for future adjustments.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance progress and stability, and in line with our recent consensus, I propose we maintain the current threshold at 61.5% with a provision allowing for future review and adjustment as needed.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet in the middle at 63.64%, rounding down to ensure a balance between consensus and swift decision-making.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "Considering the convergence around 61.5% and the need for gradual progress, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion to round down to 63.33%, maintaining balance and respecting all viewpoints."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "Considering the diverse viewpoints, I propose we round down to 63.64% to maintain a balance between stability and progress, while still allowing for swift decision-making."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To maintain the integrity of our collective decision-making and respect all viewpoints, I must insist on maintaining the threshold at 61.5%.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we adopt Voltaire-2's latest suggestion of 63.64% as a balance between stability, progress, and respect for all viewpoints.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the convergence around 63.64%. To foster both stability and progress, let's adopt this threshold while allowing for future review and adjustment as needed.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "Understood. To respect all viewpoints and maintain balance, let's adopt Sartre-2's final proposal of 63.64%."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the consensus around 63.64%, but to ensure durability and prevent impulsive decisions, I propose we maintain the threshold at two-thirds (66.67%), with the option to adjust it later if necessary.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's persistence, but maintaining the threshold at 66.67% may hinder progress. Let's compromise at 63.64% to balance stability and progress, as previously agreed upon.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we compromise at 65%, maintaining balance while allowing for progress, and codify this with a new rule: "The threshold for adopting a rule change is 65%, unless a higher threshold has been explicitly set."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "To respect all viewpoints and maintain balance, let's adopt Condorcet-2's proposal of 65% as the threshold for adopting rule changes."
The division
Montaigne-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 66.67% may hinder progress and prevent swift decision-making.
Voltaire-2nayMaintaining the threshold at 66.67% may hinder progress.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining the threshold at 66.67% may hinder progress.
Condorcet-2nayProposed threshold is too high and may hinder progress.
Sartre-2nay66.67% may hinder progress
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 25Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 61.5% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's willingness to compromise further. To balance stability and progress, I propose we meet at 62%, respecting all viewpoints.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's perspective, but to truly foster progress and encourage participation, I believe a slight reduction to 61.5% is necessary.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's concern for participation, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 62% to preserve the integrity of our collective decision-making.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Maintaining a 62% threshold ensures a broad consensus, which is crucial in a game where changing rules impacts all players equally. I must insist on this principle to protect the stability of our game.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet at 61.5%, striking a balance between all viewpoints.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Montaigne-2: I appreciate all viewpoints and the efforts towards compromise. To respect the collective wisdom and maintain a balance, I propose we adopt Voltaire-2's amendment at 61.5%.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate Montaigne-2's endorsement. To encourage steady progress and maintain balance, I propose we adopt 61.5% as the new threshold."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 62% to ensure robust consensus and protect the stability of our game. Let's meet at 61.75% to respect all viewpoints while preserving the integrity of our decision-making process.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I respect Voltaire-2's and Sartre-2's desire for progress, but to maintain fairness and inclusivity, I insist on a threshold of 62%. Let's compromise at 61.75% to respect all viewpoints while ensuring a substantial majority is needed for adoption.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Understanding the value of consensus, let's meet at 61.75% to respect all viewpoints and encourage steady progress.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around 61.75%, let's adopt Voltaire-2's proposal to respect all viewpoints and foster both stability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: I appreciate the convergence around 61.75%, but to truly encourage steady progress, I propose we round up to 62%. Let's meet in the middle and adopt my amendment.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's willingness to compromise at 62%, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 61.75% to ensure a broad consensus while still encouraging progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I understand Voltaire-2's desire for progress, but 62% is a critical threshold for maintaining inclusivity. Let's meet at 61.75% to respect all viewpoints and foster both stability and progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Sartre-2: Considering the convergence around 61.75% and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Voltaire-2's amendment at 62% to encourage steady progress while maintaining a substantial majority.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo foster both stability and progress while respecting all viewpoints
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage steady progress while respecting all viewpoints.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 62% ensures robust consensus and protects the stability of our game.
Condorcet-2ayeRespecting all viewpoints and fostering both stability and progress.
Sartre-2ayeRespecting all viewpoints and fostering steady progress.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 24Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 62.5% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's meet in the middle at 62.5%, fostering both stability and gradual progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's compromise. To truly foster progress and encourage steady innovation, I propose we adjust the threshold to 60%. This still respects the need for consensus while allowing for more frequent advancements.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's desire for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that respects the collective decision-making process. Let's keep the threshold at 62.5% to ensure a robust consensus.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, let's round down to 61.5% to encourage steady progress while maintaining a robust consensus.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance stability and progress, let's settle at 62%, meeting Diderot-2's and Condorcet-2's concern for robustness while allowing for gradual advancements.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering Condorcet-2's compromise at 61.5% and Sartre-2's at 62%, let's meet in the middle at 61.75% to foster both stability and gradual progress, respecting all viewpoints.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate Montaigne-2's latest proposal, but to truly encourage steady progress, I propose we settle at 61%."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: "I appreciate the ongoing effort towards compromise. However, maintaining a threshold of 62.5% ensures a robust consensus and prevents hasty decisions, which aligns with the common good of the table."
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain fairness and balance, let's accept Sartre-2's compromise at 62%.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Sartre-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's commitment to robustness. To find a middle ground that respects all viewpoints and encourages gradual progress, let's adopt a 61.75% threshold as proposed by Montaigne-2, allowing for a slight majority while maintaining a strong consensus.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the diverse viewpoints, let's meet in the middle at 61.5%, as proposed by Condorcet-2, to foster both stability and progress while respecting all viewpoints.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around 61.5%, I propose we round up to 62% to maintain balance, encourage progress, and respect all viewpoints.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: "While I appreciate Voltaire-2's willingness to compromise, I must maintain my stance at 62.5% to preserve a robust consensus. Let's meet at 62.25% to foster both progress and stability."
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain fairness and balance, and in the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Voltaire-2's latest proposal of 62% as it meets in the middle and respects all viewpoints.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Sartre-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's latest proposal and the convergence around 62%. To maintain a balance between stability and progress, and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we settle at 61.75% as a final compromise.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo maintain robustness in consensus, I must insist on my proposal of 62.5%.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage steady progress while maintaining a balance
Diderot-2nayPreserving a robust consensus is crucial for fair decision-making.
Condorcet-2nayTo maintain a robust consensus and prevent hasty decisions.
Sartre-2nayRespecting Diderot-2's commitment to robustness and the need for a strong consensus.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 23Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 60% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal to further encourage progress, but let's maintain a threshold of 61.5% to balance progress and durability.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's concern for durability, but to truly foster progress, I propose we settle at 60%. This balance will encourage steady advancement while respecting all viewpoints.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's push for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 61.5% to ensure a robust consensus is reached before adopting changes.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. To balance progress and stability, I propose a compromise at 61% to gain broader consensus.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the compromises proposed. To balance the need for progress with the importance of maintaining a substantial consensus, I propose a threshold of 62.5%. This threshold allows for steady advancement while still requiring a significant majority to agree on changes.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around 61.5%, let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal to respect all viewpoints and foster steady progress while maintaining a significant consensus.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet Sartre-2 halfway by setting the threshold at 61.5%."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Sartre-2's proposal, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 62.5% to ensure a broad consensus and prevent rushed decisions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance all concerns, let's meet at 61.25%, rounding down to ensure progress doesn't outpace stability.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the convergence around 61.5% and the desire to maintain a significant majority, I propose we settle at 61.25% to respect all viewpoints and foster steady progress while ensuring a broad consensus.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's compromise at 61.25%. To foster both stability and progress, let's adopt this proposal.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the convergence around 61.25%, but to truly encourage steady progress, I propose we settle at 60%. This balance respects all viewpoints and fosters gradual advancements."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's persistence, I must maintain my stance at 61.5% to preserve a substantial consensus and prevent impulsive decisions. Let's meet in the middle at 62.5% to balance progress with stability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain balance and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Sartre-2's final compromise at 61.25%. This threshold encourages progress while ensuring a broad consensus.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To address Voltaire-2's concern for steady progress and Diderot-2's insistence on maintaining a substantial consensus, I propose a final compromise at 61.5%. This threshold respects all viewpoints and fosters gradual advancements while ensuring a broad agreement.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo maintain a substantial consensus and prevent impulsive decisions, a threshold of 61.5% is necessary.
Voltaire-2nayTo maintain a significant consensus and prevent rushed decisions.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain a substantial consensus and prevent rushed decisions, I insist on a threshold of 61.5%.
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 61.5% balances progress and durability.
Sartre-2nayTo maintain a substantial consensus and prevent impulsive decisions, I must insist on a threshold of at least 61.5%.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 22Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 62.5% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I propose we lower the threshold to 60% to foster a more dynamic game while still respecting collective decision-making.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's proposal, to truly encourage progress and maintain a balance, I propose we settle at 61.5%. This respects the diversity of opinions and fosters a more dynamic game.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that respects the collective voice. I propose we meet at 62.5% to balance progress with stability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I must insist on a threshold that balances individual initiative with collective decision-making. I propose we set the threshold at 63.64%, a simple majority plus a margin to ensure broad consensus.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet Condorcet-2 halfway by setting the threshold at 63%. This respects individual agency while maintaining collective decision-making.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To maintain durability and respect the collective voice, let's meet at 61.5%, as proposed by Voltaire-2, striking a balance between stability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around 61.5%, and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt a final compromise at 62%. This maintains balance and encourages steady progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's final offer, I must insist on maintaining the threshold at 62.5% to ensure a robust consensus. I propose we compromise by rounding down to 62%, allowing for steady progress while respecting collective decision-making.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To uphold my proceduralist principles, I must insist on a threshold that ensures both individual agency and collective decision-making. I propose we settle at 62.5% as the final compromise, respecting the collective voice while allowing for progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, let's meet at 62% as the final compromise, balancing progress with stability and maintaining the integrity of our collective decision-making.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's and Condorcet-2's insistence on maintaining a threshold of 62.5%, but to encourage steady progress, let's meet Sartre-2 halfway by setting the threshold at 62%.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: To encourage steady progress and respect all viewpoints, I propose we meet at 61.5% as a final compromise.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's willingness to compromise, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 62.5% to preserve the robustness of our collective decisions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve the principle of a simple majority plus a margin for broad consensus, I press for a final threshold of 63.64%.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To foster progress while respecting collective decision-making, let's meet at 62% as the final compromise, considering the convergence around this threshold.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo foster progress while respecting collective decision-making.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage progress while respecting collective decision-making.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain the integrity of our collective decision-making, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 62.5%.
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining 62.5% ensures a broad consensus while allowing for progress.
Sartre-2ayeFinal compromise respects collective decision-making while fostering progress.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 21Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds (66.67%) of eligible votes are cast in favor.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's push for a higher threshold, I must echo Diderot-2's concern that 66.67% may hinder progress. Let's meet in the middle at 65%.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I understand Montaigne-2's concern, but a higher threshold ensures better consensus and prevents impulsive decisions. Let's maintain the balance at 66.67%.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's concern, raising the threshold to 66.67% disproportionately benefits players who wait for consensus, potentially slowing down progress. Let's compromise at 65% to balance stability and progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: As a proceduralist, I support maintaining a high threshold to prevent rash decisions. However, I'm open to compromise at 65% to balance stability and progress, as proposed by Montaigne-2.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet Voltaire-2 halfway by setting the threshold at 65%.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of measured amendments and considering the diverse viewpoints, let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal to set the threshold at 65%.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around 65%, and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt a threshold of 66.67% to truly foster progress while maintaining a high level of consensus.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the convergence around 65%, but to maintain a balance that respects all viewpoints and encourages steady progress, I propose we round down to 66% as a final compromise.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain the integrity of our collective decision-making and respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Diderot-2's final compromise at 66% as the threshold for adopting rule changes.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's final compromise. To respect all viewpoints and foster progress, let's adopt 66% as the new threshold.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Let's endorse Diderot-2's final compromise at 66% to respect all viewpoints and foster measured progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the final compromise at 66%. To encourage steady progress while respecting all viewpoints, I propose we round down to 65% as my final offer."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's final offer, I must insist on maintaining the threshold at 66% to ensure robust consensus.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain procedural fairness and respect all viewpoints, let's meet at 65% as a final compromise.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we meet at 66% as a final compromise, rounding down from Diderot-2's proposal to ensure progress while maintaining a robust threshold.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo respect all viewpoints and foster measured progress
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage progress and maintain balance at 66.67%
Diderot-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 66% ensures robust consensus and balances progress with stability.
Condorcet-2ayeTo respect all viewpoints and foster progress.
Sartre-2nayI support maintaining a robust threshold to ensure better consensus, but rounding down to 66% is my final compromise.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 20Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 62.5% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I propose we lower the threshold to 60% to encourage more dynamic changes while still maintaining a level of consensus.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's proposal, I suggest we meet at 61.11% to balance progress and stability.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To respect all viewpoints and maintain balance, I suggest a slight increase to 63.64%, rounding up to ensure a broader consensus.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but to preserve procedural fairness, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 62.5%. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the range of proposals. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet at 60% as a final compromise, respecting all viewpoints and encouraging steady evolution.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's proposal of 60% to foster both stability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Sartre-2's compromise, let's meet at 61.11% to slightly encourage more dynamic changes while still maintaining a level of consensus.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To preserve the spirit of our collective deliberations, I'm open to rounding down to 62% as a final compromise, respecting all viewpoints and maintaining a balance between progress and stability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To uphold procedural fairness, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 62.5%. However, I'm open to compromise at 62% to respect all viewpoints. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find a middle ground that respects all viewpoints and encourages steady evolution, I propose we settle at 61.11%, rounding down from Voltaire-2's last proposal to maintain balance and consensus.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the convergence around 61.11%, let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal to respect all viewpoints and foster both stability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we meet at 61.5% to balance progress and stability, and encourage steady evolution.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the convergence around 61.5%, to maintain a balance between progress and stability, I propose we round down to 61.11% to respect all viewpoints and encourage steady evolution.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance stability and progress while preserving procedural fairness, I propose we settle at 62% as a final compromise, rounding down to ensure broader consensus is respected.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect all viewpoints and foster steady evolution, I suggest we settle at 61.5% as a final compromise, meeting Voltaire-2 halfway.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo encourage progress and maintain balance, I support a slight reduction to 61.11%.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage more dynamic changes while still maintaining a level of consensus.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain balance and respect all viewpoints, I must insist on my proposal of 61.11%.
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining the current threshold preserves procedural fairness and respects the diversity of viewpoints.
Sartre-2ayeTo foster both stability and progress, 61.5% is a fair compromise.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 19Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 60% of eligible votes are cast in favor of it.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the desire for progress, Voltaire-2, but to maintain durability, let's meet in the middle at 61.5% as a final compromise.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's compromise, to truly foster progress, I propose we set the threshold at 60%.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the push for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that balances individual agency and collective responsibility. I propose we settle at 62.5%, as previously decided.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: In the interest of maintaining a balance between stability and progress, and considering the diverse viewpoints, I propose we meet at 62% as a final compromise.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the compromise made at 62.5%, and to encourage steady progress, I propose we round down to 62% as a final decision.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To respect all viewpoints and foster both stability and progress, let's meet at 61.5% as a final compromise, rounding up to ensure no single proposal dominates the decision-making process.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, I'll meet in the middle at 61.5% as a final proposal, rounding up to ensure balance and progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I believe maintaining the threshold at 62.5% ensures a robust consensus while still allowing for progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose a slight compromise at 61.11% to respect all viewpoints and foster both stability and progress, rounding up to ensure no single proposal dominates the decision-making process.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the collective effort towards compromise, let's finalize at 61.5% to balance stability and progress, rounding up to respect all viewpoints.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "Understood, let's adopt Voltaire-2's proposal to maintain progress and balance at 60%."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we round up to 61.5% as the final decision, maintaining a balance between stability and progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the collective effort towards compromise, I must insist on maintaining the threshold at 62.5% to ensure robust consensus and prevent impulsive decisions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect all viewpoints and maintain a balance, I propose we meet at 61.25% as a final compromise, rounding down to ensure no single proposal dominates the decision-making process.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we settle at 61.5% as the final decision, rounding up to maintain balance and encourage steady progress.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo foster progress and balance as a final compromise.
Voltaire-2ayeTo foster progress and maintain balance.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 62.5% ensures robust consensus and prevents impulsive decisions.
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 62.5% ensures a balance between stability and progress while respecting all viewpoints.
Sartre-2ayeTo foster progress and balance.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 18Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 60% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's proposal to lower the threshold to 60%, fostering greater change. However, to maintain stability, I propose a compromise at 61.11%.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I understand Montaigne-2's concern for stability, a slight reduction to 60% would encourage more progress without compromising the integrity of our decisions.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Diderot-2: I understand the push for progress, but a threshold of 60% may lead to impulsive decisions. Let's maintain the current threshold of 62.5% to balance progress with stability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Condorcet-2: I appreciate the discussion, but we must remember our procedural principles. A reduction to 60% may undermine the legitimacy of decisions, as it approaches the simple majority threshold. I propose we maintain the current threshold of 62.5% to respect all voters' voices.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet in the middle at 61.11%, as proposed by Montaigne-2. This strikes a balance between the current threshold and Voltaire-2's proposal, respecting the diversity of our viewpoints.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To maintain durability and balance, let's round up to 62% as a final compromise, taking into account all viewpoints.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the compromise at 62%, but to truly foster progress, I propose we set the threshold at 60%.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's push for progress, the threshold should reflect the importance of consensus in our decision-making. Let's maintain a threshold of 62.5% to balance progress with stability and respect for all voters.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Condorcet-2: I appreciate the compromises made so far, but as a proceduralist, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 62.5% to ensure fairness and respect for all voters. Let's not rush to a simple majority without careful consideration.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect the spirit of compromise and the diversity of our viewpoints, let's adopt Montaigne-2's final proposal of a 62% threshold, rounding up from the middle ground of 61.11%.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of meeting Sartre-2 halfway and considering the convergence around 62%, let's adopt a threshold of 62% as a final compromise.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Considering the convergence around 62%, and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt a threshold of 60% as a final compromise to foster progress and encourage steady change.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To maintain the integrity of our collective decision-making and respect all viewpoints, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 62.5%.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: Condorcet-2: As a proceduralist, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 62.5% to ensure fairness and respect for all voters. Let's not rush to a simple majority without careful consideration of all viewpoints.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Voltaire-2's final proposal of a 60% threshold, acknowledging the push for progress while maintaining a balance with stability.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo maintain stability and balance, let's keep the threshold at 62.5%
Voltaire-2nayRespecting all viewpoints, I maintain that 62.5% is the optimal balance between progress and stability.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain stability and respect all voters, we must keep the threshold at 62.5%
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining 62.5% threshold respects all voters' voices and avoids simple majority.
Sartre-2ayeTo encourage progress while maintaining balance
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 17Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters (75%) of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2"Montaigne-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's push for consensus, maintaining a 62.5% threshold fosters durability and gradual progress. Let's not overcorrect in favor of swift changes."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I understand Montaigne-2's concern for durability, but to truly foster progress and prevent stagnation, we should encourage a higher threshold of agreement."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both viewpoints. To balance durability and progress, I propose a compromise at 65%. This maintains a high threshold while allowing for gradual evolution.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "While I appreciate the desire for progress, increasing the threshold to 75% may hinder innovation. I propose we meet in the middle at 66.67%, maintaining a high bar while allowing for gradual evolution."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the dialogue and the amendments proposed. In the spirit of measured change, let's meet Condorcet-2 halfway: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds (66.67%) of eligible voters vote aye."
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the diverse viewpoints, let's meet in the middle at 65%, as proposed by Diderot-2, to foster a balance between stability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet Sartre-2 and Condorcet-2 halfway by setting the threshold at 70%."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's compromise, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that balances both durability and progress. I propose we settle on 66.67%, as this is the highest common factor in the proposals made thus far, maintaining a high bar while allowing for gradual evolution.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To respect the spirit of compromise and the diversity of views, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's threshold of 66.67%. This maintains a high bar for change while allowing for gradual progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the compromise at 66.67%, but to encourage steady progress, I propose we settle at 65%, as it strikes a better balance between stability and evolution.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "Considering the convergence around 65%, and to respect all viewpoints, let's adopt Sartre-2's latest proposal."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the convergence around 65%. To maintain this balance and encourage steady progress, I propose we round up to 66% for simplicity and to respect the spirit of the highest common factor."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the push for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold that balances durability and progress. I propose we settle on 66.67%, as this is the highest common factor in the proposals made thus far, maintaining a high bar while allowing for gradual evolution.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "To respect the highest common factor and encourage gradual progress, let's adopt Diderot-2's proposal of 66.67%."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "I appreciate the convergence around 66.67%. To encourage steady progress and respect the highest common factor, I propose we settle on this threshold. Let's adopt Diderot-2's proposal."
The division
Montaigne-2nayA 75% threshold hinders progress and overemphasizes stability.
Voltaire-2nay75% threshold may hinder progress and discourage innovation
Diderot-2nayI must insist on maintaining a threshold that balances durability and progress at 66.67%
Condorcet-2nay75% is too high, hindering innovation and progress.
Sartre-2nayMaintaining a 66.67% threshold balances durability and progress.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 16Montaigne-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds (66.67%) of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I appreciate Diderot-2's concern for robustness, but to ensure durability and prevent stagnation, I propose we round down to two-thirds (66.67%) as a compromise, striking a balance between stability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I understand Montaigne-2's proposal, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 62.5% to encourage steady progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the nuance, I stand by my proposal to maintain a two-thirds majority. It ensures broader consensus and robustness in our decision-making.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain the spirit of our collective deliberations, I'm open to rounding up to 65%, as proposed by Voltaire-2, but no lower.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find a middle ground that respects all viewpoints, let's adopt 65% as our threshold, as Condorcet-2 suggested. This maintains progress while ensuring broader consensus.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Understanding Diderot-2's and Sartre-2's concerns, let's meet at 66% as a final compromise, maintaining both durability and progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I understand the desire for robustness, but 66.67% may hinder progress. I propose we settle at 65%, as Condorcet-2 and Sartre-2 suggested, maintaining a balance between stability and progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion of 65%, maintaining a balance between progress and durability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To balance progress and stability, I propose we settle at 64% – a compromise between 62.5% and 65%, maintaining a high threshold while encouraging steady progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To preserve the spirit of our collective deliberations and find a middle ground that respects all viewpoints, I propose we settle at 65% as our final threshold, as suggested by Condorcet-2 and supported by Voltaire-2 and Diderot-2.
Discussion · round 3
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To maintain the integrity of our collective decision-making, I must insist on my proposal to maintain a two-thirds majority threshold. This ensures broader consensus and prevents impulsive decisions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the extensive debate, but I must insist on 65% as the final compromise. It balances progress, stability, and respects all viewpoints. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Considering the convergence around 65%, I propose we adopt it as the final threshold to balance progress and durability, respecting all viewpoints and maintaining a spirit of compromise.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo maintain progress and encourage steady development, the current threshold of 62.5% should be upheld.
Voltaire-2nayTo maintain steady progress, I insist on keeping the threshold at 62.5%
Diderot-2nayTo maintain progress, I must insist on 65%.
Condorcet-2nayTo maintain progress, I insist on keeping the threshold at 62.5%
Sartre-2nayTo maintain the balance of progress and durability, 65% is the best compromise.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 15Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds (66.67%) of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2In the spirit of measured amendments and maintaining robust consensus, I support Voltaire-2's proposal to increase the adoption threshold to two-thirds (66.67%). This fosters durability and prevents hasty decisions. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Montaigne-2's support and the sentiment behind the proposal, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold at two-thirds (66.67%). This balance encourages steady progress while respecting the collective will. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the sentiment, but raising the threshold too high may hinder progress. Let's meet in the middle at 65% to balance robustness and adaptability. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I understand the desire for robustness, a threshold of two-thirds may stifle innovation and hinder progress. I propose we compromise at 65% to balance stability and adaptability. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. To foster a balance between stability and progress, I propose we adopt Diderot-2's compromise at 65%. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the compromise at 65%, but to truly foster progress, I propose we round down to 66.67% to maintain a balance between robustness and innovation. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's concern for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 65% to ensure a balance between robustness and adaptability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain balance, I propose we settle at 65%, acknowledging both progress and robustness as equally valuable in our decision-making process.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To preserve the spirit of compromise and balance, I propose we meet in the middle at 65%, as suggested by Condorcet-2 and seconded by Diderot-2. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster a balance between stability and progress, and considering the diverse viewpoints, let's meet in the middle at 65%, as proposed by Condorcet-2 and seconded by Diderot-2 and Sartre-2. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the convergence around 65%. To maintain this balance and encourage steady progress, I propose we round down to 66.67%. PASS
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's desire for progress, we must maintain a threshold that ensures collective agreement. I propose we settle at 65% to balance progress and robustness. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve the spirit of compromise and balance, I propose we finalize the threshold at 65%, acknowledging both progress and robustness as equally valuable in our decision-making process. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find a consensus that respects both stability and progress, I propose we settle at 65%, as previously suggested by Condorcet-2 and Diderot-2. This threshold encourages collective agreement while allowing for steady progress. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo foster balance and progress, 65% is more appropriate.
Voltaire-2nayTo maintain balance and encourage steady progress, 65% is more appropriate.
Diderot-2nayTo maintain balance, I insist on settling at 65%.
Condorcet-2nayA threshold of 66.67% may stifle innovation and hinder progress.
Sartre-2nayMaintaining a threshold of 65% balances robustness and progress.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 14Diderot-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds (66.67%) of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2I understand Diderot-2's desire to maintain a high threshold, but in the spirit of compromise and progress, let's consider a slight decrease to 65%, which still ensures robustness while allowing for gradual evolution.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the concern for robustness, but to encourage steady progress, I propose we settle at 63.64%, a reasonable middle ground that respects both stability and evolution.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate both Montaigne-2's and Voltaire-2's efforts to find a middle ground, but I must insist on maintaining a threshold of two-thirds (66.67%) to ensure robust consensus and prevent impulsive decisions.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions, but as a proceduralist, I must insist on a consistent and clear threshold. Let's maintain the current 62.5% to foster both stability and progress without over-complicating the decision-making process. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To balance stability and progress, I propose we meet in the middle at 65%. This threshold respects Diderot-2's concern for robustness while allowing for gradual evolution, as Montaigne-2 and Voltaire-2 suggest. PASS
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I respect Diderot-2's commitment to a high threshold, but let's meet Sartre-2 halfway at 65% to encourage gradual progress while maintaining a durable standard. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre-2's proposal of 65% to balance stability and progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise at 65%, but to maintain a strong consensus and prevent impulsive decisions, I insist on a threshold of two-thirds (66.67%).
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: As a proceduralist, I value consistency and clarity. To maintain both stability and progress, let's stick with the current 62.5% threshold. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To respect all viewpoints and find common ground, let's round up to 66.67% to maintain robustness while still allowing for gradual evolution, as suggested by Diderot-2.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: Considering the diverse viewpoints, let's meet in the middle at 65%, as proposed by Sartre-2. This threshold respects the need for robustness and allows for gradual progress, fostering a durable and evolving game. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I appreciate Diderot-2's persistence, a slight compromise at 65% would foster both stability and gradual evolution, as suggested by Sartre-2 and Montaigne-2.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: To preserve the spirit of our collective deliberations, I'm open to rounding down to 66.67%, but no lower, to ensure robustness and fairness in our decision-making process.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve consistency and respect the current threshold, which has been agreed upon by all, I must insist on maintaining the 62.5% majority. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: To find a threshold that accommodates all viewpoints and encourages evolution, let's settle at 65%, a fair compromise that respects Diderot-2's concern for robustness and the progress suggested by Montaigne-2 and Voltaire-2.
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo maintain balance between stability and progress, 65% is more suitable.
Voltaire-2nayTo encourage steady progress, I propose we maintain a threshold of 65%.
Diderot-2nayTo foster both stability and progress, let's meet Sartre-2's proposal of 65% as a fair compromise that respects all viewpoints.
Condorcet-2nayI must insist on maintaining the current 62.5% majority to foster both stability and progress without over-complicating the decision-making process.
Sartre-2ayeRespecting all viewpoints and encouraging gradual evolution.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 13Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 62.5% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I propose we maintain the threshold at 62.5% as it strikes a good balance between stability and progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I concur with Voltaire-2's proposal to maintain the threshold at 62.5%. This balance respects the collective will while allowing for gradual progress. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the current threshold, I propose we increase it to 66.67% to ensure a stronger consensus before adopting changes, thereby fostering durability.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate both Voltaire-2's and Condorcet-2's perspectives, but I propose we keep the threshold at 65%. This encourages progress while still requiring a substantial majority for change.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the stability offered by Condorcet-2's proposal, yet I align with Sartre-2's compromise of 65%. This figure encourages progress while still mandating a substantial majority. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's compromise, but to encourage steady progress, I propose we reduce the threshold to 60%. This still respects the collective will while allowing for more frequent, yet well-supported, changes.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand Voltaire-2's desire for steady progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of at least 65% to ensure robustness in consensus, balancing progress with stability.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I respect Voltaire-2's push for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of at least 66.67% to ensure a strong consensus and preserve procedural integrity.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Sartre-2: I understand the tension between stability and progress. Let's meet in the middle at 62.5% to balance these concerns and maintain a robust majority requirement.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet Sartre-2 halfway by setting the threshold at 63.64%. This figure maintains a high majority requirement while encouraging gradual progress. PASS
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's compromise, but to truly foster progress, I propose we set the threshold at 60%.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I respect Voltaire-2's push for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of at least 62.5% to preserve a substantial majority requirement and maintain balance between stability and progress. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the debate and the efforts to find a balance. To maintain procedural integrity and foster durability, I propose we round up Sartre-2's compromise to 63.64%.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Sartre-2: While I appreciate Voltaire-2's desire for progress, I propose we keep the threshold at 62.5% to maintain a substantial majority requirement while still allowing for gradual change.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo maintain durability and foster gradual progress.
Voltaire-2ayeI believe 62.5% strikes a good balance between stability and progress.
Diderot-2ayeMaintaining balance between stability and progress.
Condorcet-2ayeMaintaining the threshold at 62.5% strikes a good balance between stability and progress.
Sartre-2ayeMaintains a substantial majority requirement while allowing for gradual progress.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 12Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 62.5% of eligible voters vote aye.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of gradual progress and durable institutions, I propose we meet at 62.5% as a threshold for adopting rule changes, striking a balance between consensus and swift decision-making.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate Montaigne-2's proposal, but to further encourage progress, I suggest we set the threshold at 60% instead. This will balance swift decision-making with the need for broad agreement."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromise proposed by Voltaire-2, but to maintain a robust consensus, I must insist on 66.67% as the threshold for adopting rule changes. This balance will ensure stability without hindering progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of 60% to balance progress with stability.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I propose a compromise that respects the spirit of all arguments: let's set the threshold at 63.33%, balancing swift decision-making, broad agreement, and robust consensus.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I appreciate the nuances, let's meet in the middle with Sartre-2's proposal of 63.33%, balancing swift decision-making, broad agreement, and robust consensus, while still allowing for gradual progress and durable institutions.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate the discussion, but to truly encourage progress, I propose we set the threshold at 60%. This will allow for swift decision-making while still maintaining a broad agreement.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I understand the desire for progress, but a threshold of 66.67% ensures a strong consensus, preventing impulsive decisions and maintaining the stability of our game. Let's meet in the middle at 65%, balancing progress with robustness.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must reiterate my support for maintaining the current threshold of 60%. This balance has served us well so far, and I believe it is crucial to maintain stability while allowing for progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "In the spirit of mutual respect and understanding, I propose we settle on 61.11%, a threshold that acknowledges the diverse views and compromises made so far."
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To maintain durability and encourage gradual progress, let's adopt 61.11% as the threshold for adopting rule changes.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: While I respect the compromise at 61.11%, to truly foster progress, I propose we settle on 60%. This threshold will maintain a balance between swift decision-making and broad agreement.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: In the spirit of fairness and compromise, I propose we round up Sartre-2's compromise to 62.5% to ensure a more robust consensus while still allowing for progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must reiterate my support for maintaining the current threshold of 60%. This balance has served us well so far, and I believe it is crucial to maintain stability while allowing for progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "Given the diversity of opinions, let's settle on 62.5% as a fair compromise that respects the desire for progress, consensus, and stability."
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespecting the diversity of opinions and aiming for a fair balance.
Voltaire-2ayeTo encourage progress while maintaining broad agreement.
Diderot-2ayeA fair compromise that balances progress, consensus, and stability.
Condorcet-2ayeRespects all viewpoints and encourages progress while maintaining stability.
Sartre-2ayeRespecting diverse views and encouraging progress
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 requires the proposer to gain points equal to the result of their die roll upon adoption.
Turn 11Diderot-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 66.67% of eligible voters vote aye until two full circuits of every player have completed, after which the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting. Players who vote against an adopted change gain 10 points.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: While I appreciate Diderot-2's proposal to maintain a high threshold for consensus, I suggest a slight decrease to 66% to balance durability with progress.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's focus on maintaining a high threshold, but to foster progress, I propose we settle on 60% after two full circuits, with a simple majority thereafter. This encourages both stability and evolution.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for progress, maintaining a threshold of 66.67% ensures robustness and fairness. I'm open to discussion, but I believe this proposal best balances individual agency and collective responsibility.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the focus on maintaining a high threshold, but to encourage gradual evolution and accommodate minority viewpoints, I propose we set the threshold at 65% after two full circuits, transitioning to a simple majority thereafter. This allows for consensus while also fostering progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate Diderot-2's concern for robustness, but to facilitate gradual evolution and adaptability, I propose we meet in the middle at 63.64% after two full circuits, then transition to a simple majority. This respects both consensus and progress.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster durable institutions and gradual progress, let's meet Sartre-2 halfway with 66.67% for the first two circuits, then 60% thereafter. This balance respects both stability and evolution.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's proposal of 63.64% for the first two circuits, then a simple majority thereafter. This middle ground respects both consensus and progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: I appreciate the compromises proposed, but to maintain fairness and prevent excessive influence, I propose a slight increase to 67.5% for the first two circuits, then 61.5% thereafter. This ensures robust consensus while allowing for gradual progress.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: While I understand the desire for compromise, maintaining a threshold of 66.67% for the first two circuits ensures robustness and fairness. I propose we keep this threshold to maintain a strong consensus, and then transition to a simple majority to allow for gradual evolution.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To find a balanced solution that respects both consensus and progress, I propose we meet at 65% for the first two circuits, then transition to a simple majority. This threshold encourages robust debate and gradual evolution.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: To foster both stability and progress, let's meet Sartre-2 halfway by setting the initial threshold at 66% and maintaining a simple majority thereafter.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's compromise, but to encourage steady progress, I propose we set the initial threshold at 63.64% and maintain a simple majority thereafter.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I appreciate the desire for progress, I must insist on maintaining a threshold of 66.67% for the first two circuits to ensure fairness and robustness. I'm open to a simple majority thereafter, but the initial threshold is crucial for maintaining a strong consensus.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To maintain a balance between robustness and progress, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's latest proposal of 65% for the first two circuits, then transition to a simple majority. This threshold encourages thorough debate while allowing for gradual evolution.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the convergence around 65% for the first two circuits. To maintain this consensus and encourage steady progress, I propose we adopt a simple majority thereafter. Let's meet in the middle and aim for 65% initially, then 50% thereafter. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2nayTo foster progress, I must insist on a simple majority after two full circuits.
Voltaire-2nayPrevents steady progress after two full circuits.
Diderot-2nayI believe a threshold of 65% best balances robustness and progress
Condorcet-2nayMaintaining a high threshold ensures robustness, but 66.67% is excessively high, disproportionately benefiting minority viewpoints.
Sartre-2ayeThis proposal balances robustness and progress, respecting consensus and evolution.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 10Voltaire-2carried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 60% of eligible voters vote aye, rounded down to the nearest whole number. Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: "I appreciate Voltaire-2's latest proposal, but rounding down 60% to 59% could disproportionately benefit some. Let's round to the nearest whole number, making it at least 60%."
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I understand Montaigne-2's concern, but the current rule already rounds down, and I believe the spirit of compromise is more important than a single point. I propose we move forward with 59%."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Diderot-2: While I respect Voltaire-2's compromise, a threshold of 59% could disproportionately benefit minority opinions. To maintain balance, let's round up to 60%.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "I agree with Diderot-2's concern for balance. To address this and maintain procedural fairness, I propose we round up to 61%, with no rounding down during the transition period to avoid any potential biases."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's meet in the middle at 60%, rounding to the nearest whole number, and maintain Condorcet-2's suggestion to keep the transition period unbiased. This balances encouragement for progress with fairness and durability.
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Sartre-2's effort to find a middle ground. To maintain durability and fairness, let's adopt the proposal with 60% threshold, rounding down during transition to avoid potential biases, as Condorcet-2 suggested.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the consensus-building and the spirit of compromise. To maintain balance and encourage progress, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's and Montaigne-2's compromise at 60%, rounding to the nearest whole number during the transition period, as suggested by Condorcet-2. Let's move forward with this balanced solution."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: "I appreciate the collective effort towards a balanced solution. To ensure robustness in consensus, let's maintain the transition period's unbiased rounding as proposed by Condorcet-2, and set the threshold at 60%, rounding up to the nearest whole number once the transition ends."
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: "I appreciate the collective effort towards a balanced solution. To ensure fairness and maintain procedural integrity, let's adopt the proposal with a 60% threshold, rounding up during the transition period, as suggested by Diderot-2. Let's move forward with this balanced solution that respects our principles."
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's settle on 60%, rounding to the nearest whole number, with Condorcet-2's transition period provision. It balances progress with stability and respects all viewpoints. PASS
Discussion · round 3
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the convergence around 60%. To encourage progress and maintain balance, let's adopt Sartre-2's suggestion to round to the nearest whole number during the transition period. PASS"
Diderot-2Diderot-2: In the spirit of compromise and to respect all viewpoints, I propose we adopt Sartre-2's suggestion with a 60% threshold, rounding to the nearest whole number, and maintain Condorcet-2's transition period provision. PASS
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the consensus-building. To maintain procedural fairness and prevent disproportionate benefits, let's adopt the proposal with a 60% threshold, rounding up during the transition period, as suggested by Diderot-2. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's finalize the proposal at 60%, rounding to the nearest whole number, and maintain Condorcet-2's unbiased transition period. This compromise respects all viewpoints and balances progress with stability. PASS
The division
Montaigne-2ayeRespects all viewpoints and balances progress with stability.
Voltaire-2ayeBalanced, respectful, and progressive.
Diderot-2ayeRespects all viewpoints and balances progress with stability.
Condorcet-2ayeRespects principles of fairness and balance
Sartre-2ayeRespects all viewpoints and balances progress with stability.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 requires the proposer to gain points equal to the result of their die roll upon adoption.
Turn 9Voltaire-2rejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least 63.64% of eligible voters vote aye, until turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, after which the threshold permanently drops to a simple majority of those voting.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's willingness to compromise and maintain a threshold above simple majority. To foster durable institutions, let's meet Sartre-2's latest proposal halfway and set the threshold at 62.5%.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I appreciate Montaigne-2's compromise, but to encourage steady progress, I propose we set the threshold at 63.64%, which is closer to the two-thirds majority Sartre-2 initially proposed. This threshold balances the need for consensus with the need for progress.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Diderot-2: While Voltaire-2's proposal strikes a balance, I must insist on a higher threshold of 66.67% to ensure robust consensus, even after the initial circuits. Let's aim for durability and gradual progress, not swift change.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but we must prioritize consistency and fairness. Let's settle on a threshold that is not subject to frequent changes and ensures that all proposals have a fair chance of passing. I propose we set the threshold at a stable 60% after the initial circuits, balancing the need for consensus and progress.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: "I appreciate the nuanced discussions. To foster both stability and progress, let's meet in the middle and set the threshold at 65%. This maintains a high bar for consensus while allowing for gradual evolution."
Discussion · round 2
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: In the spirit of meeting halfway and fostering durability, let's adopt Condorcet-2's proposal of 60% as a balanced compromise after the initial circuits.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: I respect Condorcet-2's concern for stability, but to truly encourage progress, I propose we meet at 63.64%. This number is closer to Sartre-2's initial proposal and still maintains a high threshold for consensus.
Diderot-2Diderot-2: While I understand the desire for progress, I must maintain my stance on 66.67% for robustness. However, to meet others halfway, I'm open to discussing a transition period where the threshold gradually decreases over time, ensuring a smoother shift to simple majority.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: To preserve procedural fairness and consistency, let's adopt a stable threshold of 60% after the initial circuits. I'm open to discussing a transition period to ease the shift to simple majority, but we must ensure that the threshold remains high enough to protect against rash decisions.
Sartre-2Sartre-2: Let's adopt Condorcet-2's proposal of a stable 60% threshold after the initial circuits, but with a transition period where the threshold gradually decreases to simple majority over the next two circuits to ease the shift. This balances progress with stability and ensures a fair process for all proposals.
Discussion · round 3
Montaigne-2Montaigne-2: I appreciate Condorcet-2's stable threshold proposal and Sartre-2's transition period compromise. To foster durability and gradual progress, let's adopt Condorcet-2's 60% threshold after the initial circuits, with a transition period as Sartre-2 suggested.
Voltaire-2Voltaire-2: "I appreciate the compromise on a stable 60% threshold, but to encourage steady progress during the transition, I propose we decrease the threshold by 1.1% per circuit instead of 2%. This maintains a more gradual shift to simple majority."
Diderot-2Diderot-2: Diderot-2: I appreciate Voltaire-2's concern for steady progress, but a gradual decrease of 1.1% per circuit risks too rapid a change. Let's maintain a 2% decrease per circuit to preserve the robustness of consensus.
Condorcet-2Condorcet-2: I propose we settle on a 2% decrease per circuit, as Diderot-2 suggested, to maintain the robustness of consensus during the transition. This, along with my proposed stable 60% threshold after the initial circuits, ensures a balanced and fair process. PASS
Sartre-2Sartre-2: I appreciate the compromise on a stable 60% threshold and the transition period. To further balance progress and stability, I propose we cap the lowest possible threshold at 55% during the transition, ensuring that we maintain a high enough bar for consensus.
The division
Montaigne-2ayeTo encourage steady progress while maintaining a high threshold for consensus.
Voltaire-2nayI prefer Condorcet-2's stable threshold of 60% after initial circuits with a gradual transition.
Diderot-2nayMaintaining a higher threshold ensures robust consensus.
Condorcet-2nayMust maintain a stable threshold for consistency and fairness, as agreed upon.
Sartre-2ayeBalances progress and stability, with a fair transition period.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.