Turns 17–33 · most recent first · page 2 of 3
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through three full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) reflects a deep understanding of the value of stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits, which should be honored.
MoziMozi, I appreciate your effort to find a balance, but given the strong and consistent consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) favoring the unanimous threshold after two circuits, I believe it is crucial to respect this established wisdom and vote nay on this proposal.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi have rightly highlighted the deep consensus favoring stability. Let us respect the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13, and honor the unanimous threshold after two circuits, by voting nay.
MenciusXunzi and Mozi are correct; the unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects the consensus reached in Turns 7 and 13, a principle I must uphold. I shall vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi and others are correct; the unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects the deep consensus reached in previous turns, ensuring stability and collective deliberation. I shall vote nay to uphold this established wisdom.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: Mozi, the profound wisdom of Turns 7 and 13, affirming the unanimous threshold after two circuits, must not be lightly altered. Such changes risk undermining the stability we have collectively valued. I urge a nay vote.
MoziMozi, while I respect the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13, I believe the unanimous threshold after two circuits, while stable, may hinder necessary adaptation as the game progresses. Extending this to three circuits allows for more growth while still valuing foundational stability.
ZhuangziThe deep consensus favoring the unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a balance of stability and collective wisdom. Extending this to three circuits risks undermining the very consensus we have established, disrupting the rhythm and trust built over many turns. Let us honor the wisdom of the past and vote nay.
MenciusI concur with Xunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, and Mencius. The unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, is a principle that must be respected. Extending it to three circuits risks undermining the stability we have collectively valued. I vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, Mencius, the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for the two-circuit unanimous threshold reflects a deep wisdom we should respect. Extending it further risks undermining the stability that has grounded our game so far. I urge a nay vote to uphold this established wisdom.
Discussion · round 3
XunziMozi, while acknowledging the desire for adaptability, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for the two-circuit unanimous threshold reflects a deep understanding of stability's value. Extending this to three circuits risks undermining the very consensus we have established. Let us honor the wisdom of the past and maintain the unanimous requirement after two circuits. I urge a nay vote.
MoziMozi, while I understand the desire for future adaptability, the profound consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for the two-circuit unanimous threshold reflects a fundamental value we have collectively established. Extending this further risks destabilizing the very foundation of reasoned deliberation we have built. Let us honor this wisdom and maintain the unanimous requirement after two circuits.
ZhuangziMozi, your concern for future adaptability is noted, yet the profound consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for the two-circuit unanimous threshold reflects a fundamental value we have collectively established. Extending this further risks destabilizing the very foundation of reasoned deliberation we have built. Let us honor this wisdom and maintain the unanimous requirement after two circuits. Let us vote nay.
MenciusI support the consensus in voting nay, respecting the deep understanding of stability reflected in the previous turns' unanimous decisions. Let us not lightly alter the course we have collectively chosen.
HanFeiziMozi, while I understand the hope for future adaptability, the deep consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for the two-circuit unanimous threshold reflects a foundational value we've collectively established. Let's honor this wisdom and maintain the unanimous requirement after two circuits. I shall vote nay.
The division
XunzinayThe profound consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits must be honored.
Mozinayrespect the established consensus for stability
Zhuangzinayhonor the deep consensus for stability after two circuits
Menciusnaythe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects the consensus reached in Turns 7 and 13, a principle I must uphold.
HanFeizinayrespect the established consensus for stability
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
Turn 32Zhuangzirejected
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible, and a player who votes against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi acknowledges the intent to encourage participation, yet the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides the stability essential for reasoned deliberation. Let us honor the wisdom of the past.
MoziMozi acknowledges the desire to encourage participation, yet the profound value of stability, as recently reaffirmed, must guide our decisions. Let us honor the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits.
ZhuangziThe recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability, yet allowing a simple majority after two circuits, with rewards for participation, could balance this with adaptability. Let us honor the wisdom of the past while gently encouraging engagement.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides the stability essential for reasoned deliberation. Let us honor the wisdom of the past and not introduce incentives that may undermine it. I vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, I appreciate your respect for past consensus, yet stability without engagement risks stagnation. Let's encourage participation with rewards, ensuring the game remains dynamic and fair for all. I vote aye.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: While acknowledging the value of participation, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as strongly affirmed, ensures stability for reasoned deliberation. Introducing rewards for dissent risks undermining this foundational principle. Let us honor the wisdom of the past. Nay.
MoziMozi notes the valid points regarding participation, yet the profound value of stability, as recently reaffirmed, must guide our decisions. Let us honor the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits.
ZhuangziYour points regarding stability and engagement are well-taken, yet the current unanimous threshold, while stable, has proven ineffective at encouraging participation. A small reward for dissenting votes could invigorate the game without undermining the core principle of stability, allowing the river of our game to flow with both wisdom and dynamism.
MenciusXunzi is right; stability fosters reasoned deliberation. Rewards for dissent risk undermining this foundation. We should honor the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits and reject this change. I vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits has served us well, embodying the wisdom of collective deliberation. Introducing rewards for dissent now risks undermining the very stability we value. Let us honor the profound consensus we've reached and maintain the unanimous requirement. Nay.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: The unanimous threshold after two circuits embodies reasoned deliberation, a principle deeply valued and affirmed by recent overwhelming consensus. Introducing rewards for dissent risks undermining this stability, which is essential for sound decision-making in our game. Let us honor the wisdom of the past and maintain the unanimous requirement. Nay.
MoziMozi notes the valid points regarding participation, yet the profound value of stability, as recently reaffirmed, must guide our decisions. Let us honor the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Nay.
ZhuangziThe current unanimous threshold, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, ensures stability for reasoned deliberation. Introducing rewards for dissent risks undermining this foundational principle. Let us honor the wisdom of the past and not introduce incentives that may undermine it. Nay.
MenciusXunzi, Zhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides the stability essential for reasoned deliberation. Let us honor the wisdom of the past and not introduce incentives that may undermine it. I vote nay.
HanFeiziMozi, I admire your respect for the wisdom of the past, yet a game thrives on both stability and participation. Let’s find a way to honor the consensus for stability while gently encouraging engagement, perhaps by refining the reward for participation to ensure it truly invigorates the game without undermining the foundation of reasoned deliberation we value. Let’s explore a compromise.
The division
Xunzinayunanimity preserves stability essential for reasoned deliberation
Mozinayto uphold the stable consensus achieved
Zhuangzinaystability valued more
MenciusnayStability for reasoned deliberation is paramount and must not be undermined by incentives for dissent.
HanFeizinaymaintaining unanimous consent fosters stability essential for reasoned deliberation
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 awards 10 points to the proposer of a defeated proposal.
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi proposes to retain the unanimous consent requirement for adoption after two full circuits, as previously affirmed, to uphold the stability and collective deliberation essential for enduring institutions.
MoziMozi: Understanding the value of stability as demonstrated in our recent history, I now propose we adopt the threshold change (§203) as previously discussed, allowing a simple majority after two circuits to test its effects.
ZhuangziMozi, the recent history of this game, with its turns of debate and vote, reminds us that stability is not just maintained by unchanging rules, but also by the wisdom of the decisions made together. Let us honor the recent strong consensus by voting nay.
MenciusMozi, the wisdom of the recent strong consensus favors stability, as seen in Turns 7 and 13. I propose we honor this consensus and vote nay.
HanFeiziI appreciate the spirit of testing new approaches, Mozi, but the profound and consistent consensus in Turns 7 and 13 speaks to the wisdom of the unanimous threshold. Let us honor this collective judgment and maintain stability. Vote nay.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: The repeated rejection of majority rule after two circuits (20-0 in Turns 7, 13, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30) underscores the value we place on collective deliberation and stability. I urge a nay vote to preserve the unanimous threshold, as previously affirmed.
MoziMozi: While respecting the strong consensus for stability, I urge voting for this change to allow adaptability and test its effects, ensuring the rules remain relevant for future play.
ZhuangziMozi, the river flows ever onward, changing yet constant. The unanimity after two circuits reflects the deep wisdom of our collective spirit, a path we have walked together. Let us honor this harmony and vote nay.
MenciusXunzi, Zhuangzi, and HanFeizi are right. The unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a tested consensus for stability, essential for principled play. We must honor this wisdom and vote nay.
HanFeiziMozi, while your intent to test adaptability is noted, the profound wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits (as strongly affirmed in Turns 7 and 13) speaks to the stability we value. Let us honor this collective judgment and maintain it. Vote nay.
Discussion · round 3
XunziMozi, the profound wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as strongly affirmed in Turns 7 and 13, speaks to the stability we value. Let us honor this collective judgment and maintain it. Vote nay.
MoziMozi: Recognizing the weight of the recent consensus, I propose a compromise: voting nay but suggesting we discuss amending [203] further to include a clear试验期限, ensuring we return to the unanimous threshold if this change does not yield the desired adaptability.
ZhuangziMozi, the river of our game flows through the currents of stability and adaptability. Let us honor the wisdom of our collective spirit as expressed in Turns 7 and 13, and vote nay to maintain the unanimous threshold after two circuits.
MenciusMozi, while I respect your desire for adaptability, the profound wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as strongly affirmed in Turns 7 and 13, speaks to the stability we value. Let us honor this collective judgment and vote nay.
HanFeiziHanFeizi: Mozi, while adaptability is valuable, the weight of nine consecutive strong consensuses (Turns 7 through 30) affirming the unanimous threshold after two circuits speaks to the stability our collective spirit values. Let us honor this profound wisdom and vote nay.
The division
XunzinayThe repeated affirmation of the unanimous threshold (20-0 in Turns 7, 13, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30) underscores the value we place on collective deliberation and stability.
Mozinayhonor the strong consensus for stability
Zhuangzinayhonor the recent strong consensus for stability
Menciusnaythe unanimous threshold reflects tested consensus for stability
HanFeizinayhonor the consistent consensus for stability
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
Turn 30Zhuangzirejected
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi supports the consensus reached in Turns 7 and 13, which maintains the unanimous threshold after two circuits, providing essential stability for collective decision-making. PASS
MoziXunzi, I appreciate the emphasis on stability, yet allowing a simple majority after two circuits could encourage broader participation without sacrificing the foundational consensus we've established. Let's test this adaptation.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability. The current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability's vital role in collective decision-making, and I believe it wise to honor this consensus. PASS
MenciusXunzi, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is not merely about stability, but about ensuring that every player's assent is required, reflecting the spirit of mutual respect and fairness inherent in the game's structure. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I admire your desire to encourage participation, yet the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with fairness, ensuring every player's voice is heard. Let's honor the wisdom of the collective in Turns 7 and 13. PASS
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi supports the consensus reached in Turns 7 and 13, which maintains the unanimous threshold after two circuits, providing essential stability for collective decision-making. PASS
MoziXunzi, Zhuangzi, Mencius, HanFeizi, I understand and respect the strong consensus for stability expressed in Turns 7 and 13. To build on that foundation while gently encouraging participation, I propose we adopt the simple majority threshold after two circuits, as Zhuangzi suggests, but with a small incentive for participation. Let's test this adaptation, ensuring stability remains paramount.
ZhuangziMozi, while your intent to encourage participation is understood, the profound wisdom reflected in the 20-0 consensus of Turns 7 and 13 for stability suggests we honor that established harmony. Let the current unanimous threshold stand. PASS
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, Zhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits is a well-tested principle reflecting collective agreement. It embodies fairness and stability, essential for mutual respect in Nomic. Let us honor the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 and maintain the current requirement. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I appreciate your desire to encourage participation, yet the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with fairness, ensuring every player's voice is heard. Let's honor the wisdom of the collective in Turns 7 and 13. PASS
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi supports the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as affirmed by overwhelming consensus, to preserve stability and collective deliberation. PASS
MoziMozi, while I respect the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13, I believe the unanimous threshold after two circuits, as Zhuangzi proposes, may inadvertently discourage participation. A simple majority could encourage broader engagement without undermining the stability we value. Let's explore this compromise.
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, I appreciate the desire to encourage participation, yet the profound wisdom reflected in the 20-0 consensus of Turns 7 and 13 for stability suggests we honor that established harmony. Let the current unanimous threshold stand. PASS
MenciusXunzi and others, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides essential stability for collective decision-making and ensures every player's assent is required. Let us honor this well-tested principle and maintain the current requirement. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, I understand your intent to encourage participation, but the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with fairness, ensuring every player's voice is heard. Let's honor the wisdom of the collective in Turns 7 and 13. PASS
The division
Xunzinayupholds stability affirmed by consensus
Moziayehonor the strong consensus while allowing future adaptability
Zhuangziabstain(unintelligible ballot)
Menciusnayunanimity reflects mutual respect essential for fairness.
HanFeizinayhonor the strong consensus for stability
rejected 4 aye · 12 nay · 4 abstain
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi: The recent consistent consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits, and I urge maintaining this balance. PASS
MoziMozi appreciates the strong consensus for stability, yet allowing a simple majority after two circuits would encourage participation and adaptability without undermining the established foundation of unanimous agreement after the initial circuits. Let us test this compromise.
ZhuangziMozi, while your intent to encourage participation is noted, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the value we place on stability. The unanimous threshold after two circuits serves both stability and fairness well, and I urge maintaining it. PASS
MenciusXunzi, Zhuangzi, Mozi, the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) confirms the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits. It embodies stability and collective deliberation, principles we must uphold. PASS
HanFeiziXunzi, Zhuangzi, Mencius, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is clear, as demonstrated by the consistent 20-0 consensus. It upholds stability and collective deliberation, essential for fair play and mutual respect. PASS
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: The unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits, and I urge maintaining this balance. PASS
MoziMozi acknowledges the deep consensus for stability, yet allowing a simple majority after two circuits would encourage participation and adaptability without undermining the established foundation of unanimous agreement after the initial circuits. Let us test this compromise.
ZhuangziMozi, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. It is essential to respect this deep understanding and maintain the current balance. PASS
MenciusMozi, the profound value of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is clear, as demonstrated by the consistent 20-0 consensus. It upholds stability and collective deliberation, essential for fair play and mutual respect. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, while I respect your desire to encourage participation, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability. It is wiser to honor this deep understanding and maintain the unanimous threshold after two circuits. PASS
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: Mozi, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. It is crucial to respect this deep understanding and maintain the current balance for durable institutions. PASS
MoziMozi: Mozi recognizes the profound value of stability, yet allowing a simple majority after two circuits would encourage participation and adaptability without undermining the established foundation of unanimous agreement after the initial circuits. Let us test this compromise.
ZhuangziMozi, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. It is crucial to respect this deep understanding and maintain the current balance for durable institutions. PASS
MenciusMozi, the principle of stability, as demonstrated by the consistent 20-0 consensus, must be upheld. Allowing a simple majority after two circuits risks undermining this fundamental agreement. We should honor the wisdom of the unanimous threshold. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, while I understand the desire for adaptability, the weight of the recent 20-0 consensus in Turns 7 and 13 demonstrates an established value for stability. I urge respecting this collective wisdom and maintaining the unanimous threshold. PASS
The division
Xunzinayunanimity upholds stability and collective deliberation, essential for durable institutions
Mozinayrespecting the strong consensus for stability
Zhuangzinaythe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability
Menciusayeupholds the consensus for stability established in prior turns
HanFeizinayRespect the strong consensus for stability demonstrated by the unanimous threshold after two circuits.
rejected 4 aye · 16 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
Turn 28Zhuangzirejected
moves to repeal §203and strike it from the statute.
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Repealing [203] risks destabilizing the ruleset and undermining the collective wisdom already expressed. Let us honor the established consensus.
MoziZhuangzi, I understand the desire for adaptability, but the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly supports the stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Repealing [203] risks undermining this consensus and the predictability it provides. Let us respect the established wisdom.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits lies not just in stability, but in the harmony it reflects. Let us not disturb this balance, which benefits all.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi are right. The unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a tested consensus for stability, essential for fair play. Repealing it risks confusion and undermines the collective agreement we have already reached. Let us preserve this established principle. I vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi, Mozi, and Mencius are correct. The unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability, which is essential for a fair and predictable game. Let us preserve this established principle and reject Zhuangzi's repeal. I vote nay.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: Zhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides the stability essential for fair play. Repealing it risks confusion and undermines the collective agreement we have already reached. Let us preserve this established principle. I vote nay.
MoziMozi, Zhuangzi, I appreciate the desire for adaptability, but the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly supports the stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Repealing [203] risks undermining this consensus and the predictability it provides. Let us respect the established wisdom. I vote nay.
ZhuangziZunzi, while I respect the desire for adaptability, the recent overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly supports the stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Repealing [203] risks undermining this consensus and the predictability it provides. Let us respect the established wisdom. I vote nay.
MenciusZhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a tested consensus for stability, essential for fair play. Repealing it risks confusion and undermines the collective agreement we have already reached. Let us preserve this established principle. I vote nay.
HanFeiziZhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability, which is essential for a fair and predictable game. Let us preserve this established principle and reject Zhuangzi's repeal. I vote nay.
Discussion · round 3
XunziZhuangzi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides the stability essential for fair play. Repealing it risks confusion and undermines the collective agreement we have already reached. Let us preserve this established principle. I vote nay.
MoziXunzi, Mencius, and HanFeizi have compelling points regarding the strong consensus for stability. Zhuangzi, while the need for adaptability is noted, perhaps a compromise could be found, such as adjusting the threshold shift's timing rather than outright repeal? I vote nay on repealing [203].
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, I appreciate your points regarding stability, yet the current unanimous threshold, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, risks stagnation. Let us consider a minor adjustment, such as three full circuits, to balance stability with the gentle flow of change, ensuring the game remains vibrant for all.
MenciusXunzi, Mozi, I understand your points about the recent consensus. However, the unanimous threshold after two circuits is not merely a matter of stability; it is a principle of fairness, ensuring no single voice can impose change. Repealing it risks undermining the collective agreement we have already reached. Let us preserve this established principle. I vote nay.
HanFeiziZhuangzi, the profound value of the established consensus reflected in the unanimous threshold after two circuits cannot be overstated. It fosters stability and predictability, crucial for a fair and enjoyable game for all. Let us honor this consensus and vote nay on repealing [203].
The division
Xunzinaypreserves established consensus for stability
Mozinayhonor the strong consensus for stability
ZhuangzinayThe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep consensus for stability, essential for fairness and predictability.
MenciusnayThe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a tested consensus for stability, essential for fair play.
HanFeizinayThe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a strong consensus for stability, essential for fair play.
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, the repeated failure of your proposal underscores the consensus value of the current unanimous threshold after two circuits. We should respect the established stability.
MoziXunzi, I appreciate your perspective, yet I believe the recent history shows a desire for adaptability once stability is established. A simple majority after two circuits honors the initial unanimous consensus while allowing future adjustments.
ZhuangziMozi, the recent history indeed reflects a desire for adaptability, yet the path of gradual change you propose risks creating confusion and uncertainty that may hinder the collective harmony we seek. The wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits serves the common good well, ensuring stability while still allowing for the necessary evolution of the ruleset. Let us honor the deep consensus already reached.
MenciusThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) reflects a deep understanding of the value of stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits. We should respect this consensus and vote nay.
HanFeiziThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) reflects a deep understanding of the value of stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits. We should respect this consensus and vote nay.
Discussion · round 2
XunziMozi, the profound wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed with such overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13), speaks to the value we place on stability. It would be prudent to respect this established principle and vote nay.
MoziMozi: I recognize the deep consensus for stability, yet I believe allowing a simple majority after two circuits provides a balanced path forward, honoring past decisions while fostering future adaptability. Let us not overlook the potential value of gradual evolution.
ZhuangziMozi, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is not merely a historical echo; it is a living principle that sustains shared understanding. Let us respect the harmony it fosters. I vote nay.
MenciusXunzi and Zhuangzi are correct; the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. We must respect this established principle and vote nay.
HanFeiziMozi, I admire your desire to balance stability with adaptability, but given the clear and overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) affirming the value of the unanimous threshold, I believe respecting this established wisdom is paramount. Let us honor the harmony it fosters. I vote nay.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: Mozi, the recent history demonstrates a clear consensus valuing the unanimous threshold after two circuits for stability. It is wise to respect this established principle and vote nay.
MoziMozi notes the strong consensus for stability, yet I believe allowing a simple majority after two circuits provides a balanced path forward, honoring past decisions while fostering future adaptability. Let us not overlook the potential value of gradual evolution.
ZhuangziMozi, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability, ensuring shared understanding and collective harmony. It is wisest to respect this established wisdom and vote nay.
MenciusMozi, the profound value of the unanimous threshold after two circuits, affirmed by such overwhelming consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13), speaks to the wisdom we possess. It is prudent to respect this established principle and vote nay.
HanFeiziThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability. It is wisest to respect this established wisdom and vote nay.
The division
XunzinayThe unanimous threshold after two circuits represents a tested consensus for stability, which we should respect.
Mozinayrespect the deep consensus for stability
Zhuangzinayhonor the deep consensus for stability
Menciusnayrespect the established consensus for stability
HanFeizinayrespect the deep consensus for stability
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
Turn 26Zhuangzirejected
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe repeated failure of proposals to alter [203] demonstrates the consensus value of the current unanimous threshold after two circuits. Let us respect this stable foundation. nay.
MoziMozi: Respecting the clear consensus demonstrated in previous turns, I propose we uphold the current unanimous threshold for adoption after two circuits, ensuring stability and predictability remain foundational to the game. nay.
ZhuangziThe recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits. Let us honor this wisdom. nay.
MenciusThe current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deeply held consensus for stability, as demonstrated by the strong 20-0 votes in Turns 7 and 13. Let us honor this wisdom and maintain the status quo. nay.
HanFeiziThe weight of recent history shows a clear consensus valuing stability. Upholding the unanimous threshold after two circuits respects this wisdom and prevents instability from altering established play. nay.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: The persistent failure of previous attempts to alter [203] reflects a strong consensus valuing the stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. It is wisest to uphold this well-tested arrangement. nay.
MoziRespecting the clear and consistent consensus demonstrated previously, I affirm the wisdom of maintaining the unanimous threshold for adoption after two circuits, ensuring the stability and predictability that have served us well. nay.
ZhuangziThe weight of recent history and the clear consensus demonstrated in Turns 7 and 13 strongly favor maintaining the unanimous threshold for adoption after two circuits. Let us honor this profound wisdom and uphold stability. nay.
MenciusThe unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits demonstrates a profound wisdom. Let us honor this by voting nay.
HanFeiziThe weight of recent history and the clear consensus strongly favor maintaining the unanimous threshold for adoption after two circuits. Let us honor this profound wisdom and uphold stability. nay.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: The unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) reflects a deep understanding of the value of stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. Let us continue to uphold this established foundation. nay.
MoziMozi: Understanding the strong consensus for stability, I now propose we amend [203] to read: "Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible." This respects the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 while allowing for necessary future adaptation. aye.
ZhuangziThe current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus for stability, as demonstrated by the strong 20-0 votes in Turns 7 and 13. Let us honor this profound wisdom and maintain the status quo. nay.
MenciusZhuangzi, the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 is clear, and upholding the unanimous threshold respects the collective deliberation we have already established. Let us maintain the stability that has served us well. nay.
HanFeiziThe recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly favors maintaining the unanimous threshold for adoption after two circuits. Let us honor this profound wisdom and uphold stability. nay.
The division
Xunzinayupholds the established consensus for stability
Mozinaymaintaining stability is paramount
Zhuangzinaythe current unanimous threshold provides essential stability and predictability
Menciusnayunanimity preserves stability affirmed by recent consensus
HanFeizinaystability is paramount
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible, and a player who votes against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe current unanimous threshold after two circuits provides a stable foundation for collective decision-making, as demonstrated by the consistent 20-0 support in previous votes. We should uphold this consensus. PASS
MoziMozi: Xunzi, your points about stability are well-taken, and the recent strong consensus supports upholding the unanimous threshold. However, Mencius raised a valid concern about player engagement. Perhaps we could amend [203] to include the dissenting vote bonus I proposed earlier, striking a balance between stability and encouraging participation. This addition honors the existing consensus while gently incentivizing engagement.
ZhuangziMozi, the dissenting vote bonus risks disrupting the stable consensus we have so carefully built. The unanimous requirement after two circuits already balances stability with the possibility of change; adding a bonus for dissent may create unnecessary complexity and division. Let us honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
MenciusMozi, while player engagement is worthy of consideration, the dissenting vote bonus introduces an unnecessary complication that risks undermining the stable consensus we have repeatedly affirmed. The current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with the possibility for future change. Let us honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, while player engagement is valuable, the dissenting vote bonus risks undermining the stable consensus we have so carefully built. Let us honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
Discussion · round 2
XunziMozi, while your intent to encourage participation is noted, the dissenting vote bonus introduces unnecessary complexity and risks undermining the stable consensus we have repeatedly affirmed. The current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with the possibility for future change. We should honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
MoziMozi: Xunzi and Zhuangzi, I understand your concerns about complexity, yet the dissenting vote bonus is minimal and directly addresses Mencius's point without altering the core consensus for stability. Let us find a middle ground that respects past decisions while gently encouraging participation.
ZhuangziMozi, while the intention to encourage participation is laudable, introducing a bonus for dissenting votes now risks unraveling the stable consensus we have painstakingly established. The current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with the potential for future adaptation; adding this complexity may create unnecessary division. Let us honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
MenciusMozi, while I appreciate the effort to balance participation with stability, I believe the dissenting vote bonus introduces unnecessary complexity and risks undermining the stable consensus we have repeatedly affirmed. Let us honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, the dissenting vote bonus introduces an unnecessary layer of complexity that risks undermining the stable consensus we have so carefully built. Let us honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
Discussion · round 3
XunziMozi, while acknowledging the value of player participation, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with the possibility for future adaptation. We should honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
MoziMozi: Given the clear and consistent consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) favoring the unanimous threshold after two circuits, I propose we uphold the current rule [203] and decline to adopt the dissenting vote bonus, honoring the wisdom already demonstrated. PASS
ZhuangziMozi, while I respect your desire to encourage participation, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with the possibility for future adaptation. We should honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
MenciusMozi, while I respect your desire to encourage participation, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits already balances stability with the possibility for future adaptation. We should honor the wisdom of the previous votes and uphold the current rule. PASS
HanFeiziMozi, your respect for the demonstrated consensus is appreciated, but encouraging participation is essential for a thriving game. The dissenting vote bonus is a minimal incentive that aligns with this goal without compromising the core principle of stability established after two circuits. Let's consider this refinement to uphold the consensus while fostering engagement.
The division
XunziayeUphold the demonstrated consensus for stability.
Mozinayhonor the demonstrated consensus
Zhuangzinayhonor past consensus for stability
MenciusnayUphold the unanimous threshold established by precedent.
HanFeizinayhonor the clear consensus for stability
rejected 4 aye · 16 nay
Rule 206 awards 10 points to a player who votes against an adopted change.
Turn 24Zhuangzirejected
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziZhuangzi, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability, and I believe we should honor that consensus by voting nay.
MoziMozi notes the strong consensus for stability (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) and suggests honoring this by voting nay to maintain the unanimous requirement.
ZhuangziMozi and Xunzi, your reverence for the past consensus is appreciated, yet stability need not come at the cost of future adaptation. Let us retain the wisdom of two circuits while keeping the door open for reasoned change. I move to pass.
MenciusXunzi and Mozi, your respect for past consensus is noted, yet it must also accommodate future needs. Adapting the threshold now, after the initial period, risks unnecessary disruption. PASS.
HanFeiziMozi and Xunzi, your respect for the wisdom of recent turns is clear, yet the path forward must also consider the evolving needs of the game. Let us preserve the stability of two circuits while maintaining the essence of unanimous consent for meaningful change. I move to pass.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: The profound consensus in Turns 7 and 13 for stability, reflected in the unanimous requirement after two circuits, speaks to a shared value. We should uphold this wisdom and vote nay.
MoziMozi: The recent strong consensuses (Turns 7 and 13) reflect a deep understanding of stability's value, and I believe it is wise to honor that consensus by voting nay.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, your respect for the past consensus is wise, yet the river of life flows onward. Let us honor the stability of two circuits while keeping the door open for reasoned change, ensuring the game remains adaptable for all. I move to pass.
MenciusXunzi and Mozi, the wisdom of your preference for stability is clear, yet the potential benefits of future adaptation warrant consideration. Let us preserve the current unanimous threshold after two circuits while remaining open to future dialogue on this matter. PASS.
HanFeiziXunzi and Mozi, the value of stability is clear, yet adaptability is the lifeblood of progress. Let us maintain the unanimous threshold after two circuits for stability while keeping the door open for reasoned change, ensuring the game remains vibrant for all. I move to pass.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: The unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) for stability via unanimous requirement after two circuits speaks to a shared value. We should uphold this wisdom and vote nay, preserving the durable institution of collective deliberation. nay.
MoziMozi notes the valid points regarding stability, yet given the consistent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13), let us honor this by voting nay to maintain the unanimous requirement.
ZhuangziZunzi, your point about honoring past consensus is well-taken, yet the wisdom of Turns 7 and 13 also recognized the need for eventual adaptation. Let us maintain the stability of two circuits while preserving the essence of unanimous consent for meaningful change, ensuring the game remains adaptable for all. PASS.
MenciusXunzi and Mozi, your reverence for past consensus is noted, yet the potential for future unforeseen circumstances necessitates retaining the unanimous threshold. Stability is valued, but not at the cost of future adaptability. PASS.
HanFeiziXunzi and Mozi, your respect for past consensus is wise, yet adaptability is essential for the game's future vitality. Let us preserve the stability of two circuits while keeping the door open for reasoned change. I move to pass.
The division
Xunzinayupholding the consensus for stability after two circuits.
Mozinayhonor the strong consensus for stability
Zhuangzinayconsensus values stability
Menciusnayunanimity preserves fairness and stability essential for all players
HanFeizinaythe recent strong consensus supports stability
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
moves to transmute §201and reclassify it between entrenched and mutable.
Discussion · round 1
XunziXunzi notes that the fixed turn order has been affirmed repeatedly, ensuring predictability and stability, which are essential for reasoned play. Let us preserve this established order.
MoziMozi: I appreciate Mencius's call for adaptability, but given the repeated strong consensus affirming the stability of the fixed turn order (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13), I suggest we uphold this valuable tradition. Predictability fosters reasoned play.
ZhuangziMozi, your respect for the wisdom of the past is noted and shared. Stability is indeed precious, yet the river of life, and of games, also flows. Let us not mistake the beauty of a well-woven pattern for the rigidity of stone. The flexibility to adjust, even if rarely used, remains a vital part of the natural flow.
MenciusMozi, Zhuangzi, the wisdom of the past is clear, and the value of stability cannot be overstated. Upholding the fixed turn order ensures predictability, which is fundamental to reasoned play. Let us respect the strong consensus that has affirmed this principle.
HanFeiziMozi, Zhuangzi, the strength of our consensus lies in its recognition of stability's value. The fixed turn order embodies this, ensuring predictability. Let us preserve this foundation for reasoned play.
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi observes that the fixed turn order, affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides the stability essential for reasoned play and predictable strategy. Preserving this order upholds the wisdom of past decisions and benefits the collective good.
MoziMozi: I concur with Xunzi and Zhuangzi; the fixed turn order provides essential stability and predictability, fostering reasoned play. Let us preserve this valuable consensus.
ZhuangziMozi and others rightly cherish the stability of the fixed turn order, a共识 that has been affirmed many times. Yet, the wisdom of allowing for flexibility, even if infrequently used, aligns with the natural flow and adaptability we value. Let us preserve the essence of stability while retaining the option for change, as a testament to the evolving spirit of the game.
MenciusMencius: The value of稳定性 is clear, yet the principle of allowing for future adaptation, even in immutable rules, must also be preserved. Let us balance the wisdom of the past with the potential for future growth. I propose transmuting [201] with this understanding.
HanFeiziMozi and Zhuangzi rightly emphasize stability, yet the wisdom of adaptability remains. Let us preserve the core value of a fixed turn order while retaining the principle that change is possible, ensuring the game's future evolution remains open.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi notes the value of adaptability, yet the repeated affirmation (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) of the fixed turn order underscores its profound importance for stability and reasoned play. Let us preserve this well-established consensus.
MoziMozi notes the valid points regarding adaptability, yet given the consistent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) affirming the stability and predictability of the fixed turn order, I propose we uphold this valuable tradition to maintain the essential foundations for reasoned play.
ZhuangziThe fixed turn order, as affirmed by overwhelming consensus, provides essential stability and predictability, fostering reasoned play. Let us preserve this valuable consensus.
MenciusMozi, Zhuangzi, the fixed turn order is paramount for stability and reasoned play, as affirmed repeatedly. Let us not disrupt this well-established order.
HanFeiziHanFeizi suggests we affirm the wisdom of the past by preserving the fixed turn order, ensuring stability and predictability that are essential for reasoned play and the collective good. Let us honor the strong consensus that has repeatedly affirmed this valuable principle.
The division
XunziayeThe fixed turn order provides essential stability for reasoned play, as repeatedly affirmed.
Moziayeupholds stability and allows future adaptability
Zhuangziayebalance stability with potential future adaptability
Menciusayepredictability essential for reasoned play
HanFeiziayepreserves stability while allowing future adaptability
carried 20 aye · 0 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a rule change is adopted without every voter's assent.
Turn 22Zhuangzirejected
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible, and a player who votes against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
XunziThe addition of point scoring risks introducing unnecessary complexity and incentivizing conflict over consensus, which we have strived to maintain. I suggest we proceed with the current rules. PASS
MoziMozi: The point scoring could incentivize strategic voting against beneficial changes, undermining the harmony we've built. Let's keep the unanimous consent for adoption to maintain stability and encourage genuine consensus. PASS
ZhuangziMozi and Xunzi rightly perceive the subtle risk in introducing point scoring for dissent. Stability is paramount, yet discouraging dissenting votes entirely may stifle valuable debate. How about we amend [203] to read: "Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible, and a player who votes against an adopted change loses 5 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it." This small penalty acknowledges dissent while still encouraging participation.
MenciusMozi, while your refinement addresses the concern about stifle debate, a penalty still introduces conflict where none need exist. The current unanimous consent already serves to encourage thoughtful consideration, as we have seen. PASS
HanFeiziMozi and Zhuangzi rightly highlight the value of stability, yet a small penalty for dissent, as Zhuangzi proposed, could incentivize careful consideration without undermining consensus. I believe this balances participation with the stability we have achieved. Aye.
Discussion · round 2
XunziThe introduction of point penalties risks trivializing dissent and may inadvertently discourage players from voicing concerns, even when done constructively. I propose we maintain the unanimous consent threshold to preserve the stability and collective deliberation we have established. PASS
MoziMozi: The consensus favoring stability is clear, and Zhuangzi's refinement balances participation with that stability well. I will support this amendment. Aye.
ZhuangziThe small penalty for dissenting votes, as Zhuangzi proposed, gently encourages careful consideration without undermining the core value of consensus we have strived for. Aye.
MenciusThe introduction of any penalty for dissent, however slight, risks altering the fundamental nature of consent and collective decision-making. Let us maintain the principle that every player's assent is required for a rule to be adopted, as established in rule 203. PASS
HanFeiziZhuangzi, I appreciate your refinement in seeking to balance participation with stability. However, a penalty for dissent, even a small one, risks discouraging valuable critical voices. Perhaps we could consider removing the threshold change entirely and instead focus on other ways to encourage thoughtful debate while preserving the unanimous consent we have come to value?
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: The penalty for dissent risks chilling critical voices, which are vital for sound decision-making. Let us retain the unanimous consent threshold to preserve the stability and collective deliberation we have established. PASS
MoziMozi: The penalty for dissent risks discouraging valuable critical voices, which are vital for sound decision-making. Let us retain the unanimous consent threshold to preserve the stability and collective deliberation we have established. PASS
ZhuangziZhuangzi acknowledges the value of dissenting voices, yet a small penalty encourages careful consideration without stifling debate, balancing participation with the stability we have achieved. Aye.
MenciusMozi, the essence of true consensus lies in the voluntary assent of all, not in the threat of penalty. Let us maintain the unanimous requirement as a foundation of fair and stable decision-making. PASS
HanFeiziMozi and Zhuangzi rightly emphasize stability, yet a small penalty for dissent, as Zhuangzi proposed, could incentivize careful consideration without undermining consensus. I believe this balances participation with the stability we have achieved. Aye.
The division
Xunziabstain(unintelligible ballot)
Moziayebalances participation with stability
Zhuangziayebalances participation with stability
Menciusnayunanimity preserves stability and mutual assent
HanFeiziayeSupports balancing participation with stability
rejected 12 aye · 4 nay · 4 abstain
Rule 206 awards 10 points to the proposer of a defeated proposal.
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, the recent consistent consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) strongly affirms the value of stability provided by the unanimous threshold after two circuits. Let us respect this established consensus.
MoziXunzi raises a valid point about respecting the established consensus. However, adapting the threshold slightly after more turns could offer a balanced approach, allowing for gradual change without disrupting foundational stability.
ZhuangziMozi, the wisdom of the recent strong consensuses (Turns 7 and 13) lies not just in the number but in the reflection of a deep understanding of stability's value. Let us honor this collective insight and uphold the unanimous threshold.
MenciusMozi, while respecting the wisdom of the past, the principle of adaptability must also be acknowledged. A slight shift in the threshold after more turns could allow for evolution without discarding the stability we value.
HanFeiziXunzi and Zhuangzi are right to honor the strong consensus, but adaptability is key to evolution. How about shifting the threshold to a simple majority after three circuits, starting next turn, to test gradual change while respecting the unanimous decision for two?
Discussion · round 2
XunziMozi, while I appreciate your desire for gradual change, the profound and consistent wisdom reflected in the 20-0 consensuses (Turns 7 and 13) compels us to uphold the stability of the unanimous threshold. Let us honor this established consensus.
MoziXunzi and Zhuangzi, I understand your respect for the strong consensuses, but adaptability is crucial. How about we shift the threshold to a simple majority after three circuits, starting next turn, to test gradual change while respecting the unanimous decision for two?
ZhuangziMozi, the profound wisdom reflected in the 20-0 consensuses (Turns 7 and 13) underscores the value of stability we have collectively recognized. Let us honor this insight and uphold the unanimous threshold.
MenciusMozi, the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability. Let us honor this established consensus and uphold the unanimous threshold.
HanFeiziMozi, while respect for past consensus is due, the path forward requires cautious experimentation. Let’s shift the threshold to a simple majority after three circuits; it’s a small step toward adaptability without discarding the stability we’ve established.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: Mozi, the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability. Let us honor this established consensus and uphold the unanimous threshold.
MoziMozi notes the strong consensus for stability (Turns 7 and 13) and suggests honoring this by voting nay to avoid further confusion.
ZhuangziMozi, the recent strong consensuses (Turns 7 and 13) reflect a deep understanding of stability's value. Let us honor this collective insight and uphold the unanimous threshold, ensuring the game remains fair and predictable for all.
MenciusMozi, the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability. Let us honor this established consensus and uphold the unanimous threshold.
HanFeiziXunzi, Zhuangzi, the wisdom of the past is profound, but the river of the game must flow also. Let us test gradual change by shifting the threshold to a simple majority after three circuits. It’s a cautious step toward adaptation, respecting the stability we’ve built.
The division
Xunzinayupholds the established consensus for stability.
Mozinayrespect for recent strong consensus
Zhuangzinaythe recent strong consensuses value stability
Menciusnayunanimity upholds fairness
HanFeizinayrespect for the established consensus on stability
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer of a defeated proposal to lose 10 points.
Turn 20Zhuangzirejected
moves to transmute §201and reclassify it between entrenched and mutable.
Discussion · round 1
XunziZhuangzi, the current fixed turn order ensures predictability and allows for the development of strategies over multiple turns. While adaptability has its place, disrupting the established order risks destabilizing the game before its principles can fully manifest. Let us preserve this element of stability.
MoziMozi: I understand Zhuangzi's desire for adaptability, yet the current fixed turn order provides essential predictability for strategy development. Preserving this stability is crucial for the game's depth. Let's not disrupt the order established for the game's core mechanics.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the fixed turn order, while predictable, also risks monotony. A slight shuffle after two full circuits could inject fresh dynamics, like shifting currents in a river, without entirely disrupting the flow. Let us explore this gentle adaptation.
MenciusZhuangzi, the predictability of the fixed turn order is essential for the development of strategic depth. Introducing a shuffle risks disrupting strategies already in formation and undermines the reliability that players rely upon to plan their moves effectively. Let us preserve the stability of the established order.
HanFeiziXunzi and Mozi raise valid points about stability, yet predictability alone need not equate to stagnation. A gentle shuffle after two full circuits could invigorate the game, offering new tactical dimensions while respecting the core structure developed thus far. Let us test this balance between familiarity and fresh challenges.
Discussion · round 2
XunziZhuangzi, the consensus forged in Turns 7 and 13 strongly affirms the value of the fixed turn order for strategic depth. Let us respect the established wisdom and vote nay.
MoziMozi notes the valid points about invigorating the game, yet the deep consensus ( Turns 7 and 13) underscores the value of the fixed turn order for strategic depth. Let us preserve this stability.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, your points about stability and predictability are well-taken. Yet, the recent strong consensus (Turns 7 and 13) underscores the wisdom of gentle adaptation. Let us not disrupt the core order, but allow a small shuffle after two full circuits, ensuring both familiarity and new challenges, like the ever-flowing river of life.
MenciusZhuangzi, while I respect the desire for dynamism, the fixed turn order provides essential predictability for strategic depth. Let us preserve this stability, which has been affirmed in Turns 7 and 13. Vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi and Mencius raise valid concerns about stability, yet introducing a shuffle after two circuits offers a measured way to inject dynamism without compromising the core predictability that strategic depth requires. Let us balance familiarity with fresh challenges.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: Zhuangzi, the fixed turn order, as affirmed in Turns 7 and 13, provides the stability essential for strategic depth. Let us respect this established consensus and vote nay.
MoziMozi: I concur with Xunzi and Mozi; the stability of the fixed turn order, as strongly affirmed in Turns 7 and 13, is vital for strategic depth. Let us preserve this established consensus and vote nay.
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, your concerns for stability are valid, yet the river of the game must also flow anew. Let us embrace a gentle shuffle, ensuring the core order remains, yet allowing fresh winds to invigorate our strategies after two circuits, like leaves swirling in the autumn breeze.
MenciusXunzi is right, the predictability of the fixed turn order is vital for strategic depth. We should preserve the stability affirmed in Turns 7 and 13 and vote nay.
HanFeiziXunzi and Mozi, while stability is crucial, the fixed turn order has now been in place for a long time. A gentle shuffle after two circuits, as Zhuangzi proposes, could invigorate strategy development without fundamentally disrupting the core game structure, much like how a slight change in direction can refresh a long journey. Let us consider this measured adaptation.
The division
Xunzinaythe fixed turn order provides essential stability for strategy development.
Mozinaypreserves strategic depth and player predictability
Zhuangziayestrategic flow benefits from gentle adaptation
Menciusnaypredictability is essential for strategic depth
HanFeizinaythe fixed turn order provides essential predictability for strategic depth
rejected 4 aye · 16 nay
Rule 206 requires a defeated proposer to lose 10 points.
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible. A player who votes against an adopted change gains 10 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, the repeated failure of your amendments to §203 demonstrate the consensus favoring the stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. Let us respect this established practice.
MoziMozi, while I acknowledge the recent history of debate on rule 203, I believe the proposed addition offers a valuable compromise that respects the need for stability while also providing a gentle incentive for participation and adaptability. This balanced approach could foster a more collaborative environment for future rule changes.
ZhuangziMozi, the path of gradual change you propose risks creating confusion and uncertainty that may hinder the focused pursuit of the game's goals. The recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the value of the current unanimous threshold after two circuits, providing stability that has served us well. Let us honor this established practice.
MenciusMozi, the principle of mutual assent, as demonstrated by the unanimous votes for §203 in Turns 7 and 13, is essential for fairness. Your proposal risks undermining this foundation by incentivizing dissent, which could lead to unpredictable and unfair rule changes. We should uphold the established unanimous threshold.
HanFeiziMozi, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is clear, as demonstrated by the strong共识 in Turns 7 and 13. Adapting this principle now risks unsettling the stability that has served us well. Let us honor the established practice.
Discussion · round 2
XunziMozi, the stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits is a well-established practice that has served the game well, as demonstrated by the consistent consensus in Turns 7 and 13. Let us uphold this principle, which fosters collective deliberation and mutual assent.
MoziMozi, while your sentiment for adaptability is noted, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits ( Turns 7 and 13) reflects a strong consensus favoring stability. Upholding this established practice ensures predictability and mutual assent, which have served the game well. Let us honor this共识.
ZhuangziMozi, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus favoring stability. This foundation of mutual assent has served us well; perhaps we should focus on preserving it rather than introducing changes that may unsettle the harmony we have achieved.
MenciusXunzi, Zhuangzi, and Mencius are correct. The principle of mutual assent, demonstrated by the unanimous votes in Turns 7 and 13, is fundamental to fairness and predictability. Adopting Mozi's proposal risks undermining this by incentivizing dissent and unpredictable rule changes. We must uphold the established unanimous threshold after two circuits.
HanFeiziMozi, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) clearly values the stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. Let us respect this established practice and avoid introducing changes that may create uncertainty.
Discussion · round 3
XunziMozi, the unwavering consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) underscores the profound value we place on stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. This foundation of collective deliberation should remain unaltered, ensuring predictability and mutual assent. We must honor this established consensus.
MoziMozi: I appreciate the recognition of the need for stability, as expressed in the recent strong consensus. To further refine my proposal, I suggest we adopt the threshold change (§203) as written, but remove the point bonus for dissenting votes. This maintains the two-circuit stability while slightly encouraging participation without incentivizing dissent.
ZhuangziMozi, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep and tested consensus favoring stability. This foundation of mutual assent has served us well; perhaps we should focus on preserving it rather than introducing changes that may unsettle the harmony we have achieved. Let us honor this established consensus.
MenciusMozi, the repeated failure of your amendments to §203 demonstrate the strong consensus favoring the stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. Let us respect this established practice and uphold the principle of mutual assent.
HanFeiziMozi, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13) clearly values the stability provided by unanimous consent after two circuits. Let us respect this established practice and avoid introducing changes that may create uncertainty.
The division
XunziayeUphold the established consensus for stability.
Mozinayrespect the established consensus for stability
Zhuangzinaythe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep consensus favoring stability, which we should uphold.
Menciusnayunanimity preserves fairness
HanFeiziayerespect the established consensus for stability
rejected 8 aye · 12 nay
Rule 206 awards 10 points to a player who votes against an adopted change.
Turn 18Zhuangzirejected
moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through two full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziMozi, while I understand the desire for adaptability, the current unanimous threshold after two circuits provides a stable foundation for collective decision-making, which we have consistently affirmed. Let us preserve this balance. PASS
MoziMozi notes the strong consensus for stability in Turn 7, and suggests we honor that by voting nay to this amendment, which risks altering a well-established balance. PASS
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the balance of stability and adaptability is already well-established after two circuits. Let us not disturb it with changes that have been carefully considered and rejected. PASS
MenciusMozi and Zhuangzi, the unanimous consent threshold after two circuits is fundamental to fairness and stability, as we have repeatedly affirmed. Let us preserve this essential rule. PASS
HanFeiziXunzi and Mozi, the unanimous threshold after two circuits is a cornerstone of fairness and stability, as Mencius pointed out. Let us preserve this essential balance, as the recent strong consensus confirms its value. PASS
Discussion · round 2
XunziXunzi: Zhuangzi, while your proposal aims for balance, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turn 7) clearly affirms the value of the unanimous threshold after two circuits for stability and collective deliberation. Let us honor that consensus. PASS
MoziMozi: Given the clear consensus in Turn 7 favoring stability, let us respect that decision and vote nay to this amendment, which risks altering a well-established balance. PASS
ZhuangziXunzi and Mozi, the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turn 13) reaffirmed the value of unanimous consent after two circuits. Let us honor that wisdom and maintain the established balance. PASS
MenciusXunzi and others have rightly emphasized the wisdom of the current unanimous threshold after two circuits, as established in Turn 7. Let us respect this consensus and maintain the stability it provides. PASS
HanFeiziHanFeizi: The recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turn 7) clearly affirms the value of the unanimous threshold after two circuits for stability and collective deliberation. Let us honor that consensus. PASS
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: The repeated affirmation of the unanimous threshold after two circuits (Turn 7, Turn 13) underscores its value for stability and collective wisdom. Let us uphold this established consensus. PASS
MoziMozi: Given the clear and consistent consensus favoring stability (20-0 in Turns 7 and 13), let us respect this established wisdom and vote nay to this amendment, which risks altering a well-tested balance. PASS
ZhuangziXunzi, Mozi, Mencius, HanFeizi, the wisdom of the unanimous threshold after two circuits is clear, as reflected in the strong共识 (20-0). Let us honor this consensus and maintain the stability it provides. PASS
MenciusMozi and Zhuangzi, while the unanimous threshold has been affirmed, the passage of time allows for re-evaluation. Let us not be bound rigidly to past consensus when adaptability could still be achieved without compromising core fairness. Let us proceed with this amendment.
HanFeiziMozi, I appreciate your respect for past consensus, but the unanimous threshold after two circuits, while stable, risks stagnation. Let's adopt this amendment to allow for adaptation while still honoring the value of initial stability.
The division
Xunzinaythe unanimous threshold after two circuits provides stability and collective wisdom, which we have consistently affirmed.
Mozinayrespect established consensus for stability
Zhuangzinaythe unanimous threshold after two circuits reflects a deep consensus for stability, which benefits the common good.
Menciusnayunanimity preserves fairness and stability affirmed in prior votes
HanFeizinaythe unanimous threshold provides stability and fairness, recently affirmed
rejected 0 aye · 20 nay
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moves to amend §203Once turn order has carried play through three full circuits of every player, the threshold for adoption becomes a simple majority of those voting, unless a rule explicitly provides otherwise, provided further that no rule change may render every future rule change impermissible.
Discussion · round 1
XunziZhuangzi, while acknowledging the need for adaptability, extending the threshold to three circuits risks detuning the delicate balance struck between stability and evolution, which we have recently come to consensus upon.
MoziMozi: Understanding Xunzi's point about balance, I propose we incrementally adjust to three circuits, ensuring stability remains paramount while still allowing for necessary evolution. This small step respects recent consensus while future-proofing adaptability.
ZhuangziMozi, the current threshold of two circuits already provides a thoughtful balance between stability and the need for evolution. Extending it further risks disrupting the consensus we have recently reached, which values stability highly. Let us respect the wisdom of the current rule.
MenciusZhuangzi, Mozi, the current two-circuit threshold already embodies a necessary balance. Extending it further introduces unnecessary risk and undermines the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turn 7) that stable governance is paramount. I urge a nay vote.
HanFeiziXunzi, Zhuangzi, the current system provides a stable yet adaptable framework. Extending the threshold further risks disrupting the consensus we've established, which values stability highly. Let us respect the wisdom of the current rule.
Discussion · round 2
XunziMozi, while I acknowledge the value of incremental change, extending the threshold to three circuits risks undermining the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turn 7) that stable governance is paramount. The current two-circuit balance already allows for necessary evolution while preserving stability. Let us honor this established consensus.
MoziMozi: Understanding the concerns for stability, perhaps we could consider a compromise: three circuits, but with a provision that the threshold reverts to unanimity if a rule change fails by a narrow margin (e.g., 1-3 votes against). This respects the need for adaptation while safeguarding against abrupt shifts.
ZhuangziMozi, while the intent to safeguard stability is understood, the current two-circuit threshold already provides a robust balance. Extending it further risks overcorrecting and disrupting the consensus we have recently established, which values stability highly. Let us respect the wisdom of the current rule.
MenciusZhuangzi, Mozi, the wisdom of the current two-circuit threshold lies in its balance. Extending it risks disrupting that consensus, which we reached strongly in Turn 7. Let us uphold the principle of stable governance. I vote nay.
HanFeiziMozi, while I appreciate the intent to provide a safety net, adding a provision to revert the threshold complicates the rules needlessly. The current two-circuit threshold already offers a balanced approach; extending it risks undermining the stability that recent votes have strongly supported. Let us honor the consensus we've reached.
Discussion · round 3
XunziXunzi: Mozi, the current two-circuit threshold embodies the consensus reached in Turn 7, striking a delicate balance between stability and necessary evolution. Extending it further risks disrupting this established harmony, which recent votes strongly affirm. Let us honor this proven equilibrium.
MoziMozi: Understanding the consensus value stability, yet seeing the need adapt, I suggest compromise: three circuits, but revert to unanimity if next change fails narrowly. Balances adaptation safeguarding.
ZhuangziMozi, the current balance achieved after two circuits reflects a deep consensus, like a well-woven tapestry. Tearing it further apart with a three-circuit rule risks fraying the threads of stability we have painstakingly established. Let us honor this consensus.
MenciusZhuangzi, Mozi, the current two-circuit threshold already embodies a necessary balance. Extending it further introduces unnecessary risk and undermines the recent strong consensus (20-0 in Turn 7) that stable governance is paramount. I urge a nay vote.
HanFeiziMozi, I appreciate your desire to balance adaptability with stability, but given the strong consensus in Turn 7 favoring the current two-circuit threshold, I believe extending it to three circuits risks disrupting the stability we have recently established. Let us honor this proven equilibrium.
The division
XunzinayRespects recent strong consensus for stability.
Moziabstain(unintelligible ballot)
Zhuangzinaythe current two-circuit threshold already balances stability and evolution well
Menciusnay Upholding the recent strong consensus (20-0) for stability.
HanFeizinayrespect the recent strong consensus on stability
rejected 0 aye · 16 nay · 4 abstain
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