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moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 115 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find middle ground, but I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns to preserve initial caution.
VoltaireVoltaire: To address Diderot's concern for predictability and Montaigne's for maintaining initial caution, I propose we compromise at a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must insist on the importance of maintaining a three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns to ensure stability and predictability in the initial stages of the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance all concerns, I propose we adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 111. This respects initial caution, encourages engagement, and maintains a clear transition.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To balance all concerns, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 111, as Condorcet proposed. This respects initial caution, encourages gradual engagement, and maintains a clear transition.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's and Sartre's compromise proposal. To further balance engagement and initial caution, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 116. This provides an additional 5 turns for careful rule-setting while still encouraging active play.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To address all concerns and find a middle ground, I suggest we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority at turn 111. This respects initial caution, encourages gradual engagement, and maintains a clear transition while accommodating everyone's valid concerns."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the allure of compromise, I must persist in my stance for consistency. A three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns ensures stability and predictability, preventing rushed decisions in the initial stages.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance all concerns and find a common ground, let's adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 111, as previously suggested. This compromise respects initial caution, encourages gradual engagement, and maintains a clear transition, as supported by Sartre and myself. PASS
SartreSartre: "I understand Diderot's commitment to consistency, but I must insist on the importance of encouraging gradual engagement as well. Let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 112 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 113. This respects initial caution, fosters gradual engagement, and still maintains a clear transition." PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, which respects all players' concerns. Let's adopt Sartre's proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 112 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 113. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: To address Diderot's valid concern for predictability, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 116. This provides an additional 5 turns for careful rule-setting while still encouraging active play and finding a middle ground between all concerns. PASS
DiderotDiderot: "While I appreciate the latest compromises, I must reiterate my stance for a three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns to maintain initial stability and prevent rushed decisions. I propose we maintain this majority for the first 120 turns, providing an additional 10 turns for careful rule-setting while still encouraging active play."
CondorcetCondorcet: To find common ground, let's meet in the middle of Voltaire's 115 turns and Diderot's 120 turns by maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 112 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 113, as previously proposed by Sartre. This respects initial caution, fosters gradual engagement, and still maintains a clear transition while accommodating everyone's valid concerns to a great extent. PASS
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 112 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 113. This respects initial caution, fosters gradual engagement, and maintains a clear transition while accommodating everyone's valid concerns." PASS
The division
MontaigneayeRespects initial caution and encourages engagement, striking a good balance.
VoltaireayeThis compromise respects initial caution, encourages gradual engagement, and finds a middle ground between all concerns.
DiderotnayConsistency and predictability are key in the initial stages, so I insist on maintaining a three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns.
CondorcetayeCondorcet's proposal best balances initial caution, gradual engagement, and predictability.
SartreayeRespects initial caution, encourages gradual engagement, and maintains a clear transition while accommodating everyone's valid concerns.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a change passes without unanimous assent.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a middle ground, but I maintain that a three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns ensures stability and discourages impulsive changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, I suggest we meet at two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, balancing stability and gradual engagement.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must reiterate my stance for consistency and maintain my no vote, as a three-quarters majority is crucial for maintaining stability in the early game.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but I must insist on maintaining a three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns, as it ensures stability and protects against hasty decisions.
SartreSartre: "Voltaire's compromise is thoughtful, but I suggest we maintain the three-quarters majority for the first 110 turns to preserve stability and encourage thoughtful, consensus-driven changes."
Discussion · round 2
VoltaireVoltaire: To address Diderot's and Condorcet's valid concerns, I propose a compromise: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first 115 turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority. This gradual change respects stability while encouraging more engagement.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the allure of compromise, I must persist in my stance for consistency. A three-quarters majority throughout the game ensures predictability and protects against impulsive changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, but I must maintain my support for a three-quarters majority throughout, as it best protects our game's stability and ensures thoughtful deliberation.
SartreSartre: Let's meet Voltaire halfway and maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This compromise balances stability, engagement, and gradual change.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This compromise respects stability while encouraging engagement, as Sartre and Voltaire suggest.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromise proposal. To further balance engagement and stability, I suggest we adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on the importance of a three-quarters majority throughout to maintain the game's integrity.
CondorcetCondorcet: I respect the compromises suggested, but a three-quarters majority is crucial for stability, especially in the early game. I must maintain my support for it.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise, I suggest we adopt Voltaire's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shifting to a simple majority. This balances stability, engagement, and gradual change, respecting all players' concerns."
The division
MontaigneayeMontaigne appreciates Voltaire's compromise, respecting stability while encouraging engagement.
VoltaireayeRespects stability while encouraging more engagement.
DiderotnayConsistency in the majority requirement is crucial for game stability.
CondorcetnayThree-quarters majority ensures stability and discourages impulsive changes.
SartreayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a balance between stability and engagement, respecting all players' concerns.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a three-quarters majority of eligible voters votes aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
VoltaireVoltaire: "Diderot's proposal maintains a high threshold for the first 110 turns, which could discourage initial engagement. I propose a compromise: a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's concern for initial engagement, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority fosters stability and predictability in the early game.
SartreSartre: "While Diderot's proposal ensures consistency, Voltaire's compromise balances initial engagement with long-term predictability. Let's meet in the middle: a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Let's adopt Sartre's latest compromise, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority, to balance initial engagement with long-term stability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering all valid concerns, I propose a further compromise: a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then a simple majority. This allows for a longer period of higher engagement while still moving towards simpler majorities."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect Sartre's and Voltaire's attempts to find a compromise, I must insist on the importance of maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game to preserve predictability and fairness.
SartreSartre: "Voltaire's latest proposal strikes a balanced middle ground, respecting initial engagement and maintaining some predictability. Let's adopt it to move the game forward."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Let's meet Voltaire halfway and maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then transition to a simple majority. This balances initial engagement and gradual adaptation while respecting all players' concerns.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's valid concern for predictability, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then transition to a simple majority, as suggested by Montaigne."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must persist in my stance for consistency. A three-quarters majority throughout the game ensures fairness and predictability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 115 turns, then transition to a simple majority. This balance respects initial engagement, gradual adaptation, and long-term stability. PASS.
SartreSartre: "While I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency, Voltaire's compromise respects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term predictability. Let's adopt this proposal to move the game forward." PASS
The division
MontaigneayeWhile not ideal, maintaining consistency is essential for predictability.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's compromise balances initial engagement with long-term stability.
DiderotayeMaintaining a consistent three-quarters majority fosters stability and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetayeTo maintain predictability and fairness throughout the game.
SartreayeRespecting all players' concerns and balancing initial engagement with long-term predictability.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when their change passes without unanimous assent.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters votes aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I maintain that a two-thirds majority should be maintained throughout the game for the sake of consensus and stability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Addressing Montaigne's valid concern for consensus, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority throughout the game, but reduce it to a simple majority after turn 150 to encourage more frequent changes and dynamic gameplay."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise proposed, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure stability and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I propose a slight modification to Voltaire's proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 150 turns to encourage consensus, then switch to a three-quarters majority for the next 50 turns to preserve stability, and finally revert to a simple majority for the remaining turns to foster dynamic gameplay. This should balance all concerns while respecting the principles of procedural fairness and gradual engagement.
SartreSartre: "Voltaire's compromise is a thoughtful step, but I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority throughout the game to foster continuous engagement and consensus, with a slight tweak: reduce the majority to three-quarters after turn 150 to encourage more changes while preserving stability."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal to strike a balance between consensus, stability, and dynamism.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, I suggest we adopt Sartre's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout the game but reducing it to three-quarters after turn 150. This balances engagement, consensus, and stability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must reiterate my stance for maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To address all concerns, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then switch to a simple majority. This balances initial consensus with later dynamism.
SartreSartre: "While I appreciate Condorcet's balance, I propose a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 130 turns to encourage early consensus, then switch to a simple majority for the remainder, fostering late-game dynamism while preserving earlier stability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority for the remainder, balancing consensus, stability, and late-game dynamism.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's concern for predictability and Condorcet's for gradual engagement, let's compromise at a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority for the remainder, as Montaigne suggested."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance for maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game. I believe this ensures the greatest stability and predictability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all players' concerns and find a middle ground, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a three-quarters majority for the next 30 turns to preserve stability, and finally revert to a simple majority for the remaining turns to foster dynamism.
SartreSartre: "Considering Diderot's valid concern for stability, I propose a slight modification to the current proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a four-fifths majority for the next 30 turns to preserve stability, and finally revert to a simple majority for the remaining turns to foster dynamism. This should balance all concerns while addressing Diderot's valid point."
The division
MontaigneayeTo encourage more frequent changes and dynamic gameplay
VoltaireayeBalances consensus, stability, and late-game dynamism.
DiderotnayMaintaining consistency with a three-quarters majority ensures greater stability and predictability.
CondorcetayeMaintains balance between consensus and dynamism.
SartreayeMaintains a balance between engagement, consensus, and stability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards the proposer points equal to the die roll upon adoption.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the collective wisdom here, I propose we maintain the two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority to encourage engagement and flexibility."
DiderotDiderot: "While I appreciate the sentiment, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority ensures stability and prevents sudden shifts in power dynamics."
SartreSartre: "While I appreciate the desire for predictability, Diderot, maintaining a consistent supermajority may discourage experimentation and evolution in our game. A two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority, strikes a balance between stability and adaptability."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. Let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a supermajority of two-thirds for the remaining turns to balance initial engagement, long-term consistency, and adaptability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's valid concern for predictability, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a supermajority of two-thirds for the remaining turns. This should balance initial engagement, long-term consistency, and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: "I appreciate the compromise, but I must insist on maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure consistency and fairness."
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I respect Voltaire's and Diderot's concerns, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the entire game to balance predictability and flexibility, ensuring stability without discouraging experimentation."
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To find a balance between predictability and flexibility, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a supermajority of two-thirds for the remaining turns. This would allow for initial engagement and gradual adjustment, while also encouraging long-term consistency."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns and then shifting to a supermajority of two-thirds for the remaining turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, I suggest we adopt Montaigne's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shifting to a supermajority of two-thirds for the remaining turns. This addresses all concerns and finds a middle ground."
DiderotDiderot: "While I understand the allure of compromise, I must persist in my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability."
CondorcetCondorcet: I respect Diderot's commitment to consistency, but to encourage experimentation and evolution, I propose maintaining a two-thirds majority for the entire game. This balance allows for stability while not discouraging adaptability.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency, but maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout may stifle innovation. Let's compromise at a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a supermajority of two-thirds for the remaining turns, as Voltaire and Montaigne proposed, to balance initial engagement, gradual adjustment, and long-term consistency."
The division
MontaigneayeMontaigne's and Voltaire's proposal balances initial engagement, long-term consistency, and adaptability.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Voltaire's attempt to find a middle ground that balances initial engagement and long-term consistency.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent three-quarters majority ensures fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeTo encourage engagement and flexibility while maintaining some initial predictability.
SartreayeSartre's latest proposal maintains a balance between initial engagement and long-term consistency, while also encouraging adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards the proposer 1 point upon adoption.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout to encourage consistent engagement.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I understand Montaigne's concern, but a gradual shift to a simple majority encourages more players to engage as the game progresses."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must reiterate my stance for maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and fairness for all players.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the differing views. To balance engagement and predictability, I propose a two-thirds majority for the first 130 turns, then a simple majority."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's proposal, as it strikes a balance between initial engagement and long-term predictability. Let's adopt this compromise.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Sartre's and Montaigne's insights, I propose a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I respect the compromises proposed, I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shifting to a simple majority to ensure procedural fairness and gradual engagement."
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the diverse perspectives. To accommodate everyone's concerns, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then gradually shift to a three-quarters majority for the next 30 turns, and finally settle on a simple majority."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, which respects all players' concerns. Let's adopt this proposal.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's valid concern for predictability, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 125 turns, then gradually shift to a simple majority over the next 25 turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I understand Diderot's commitment to consistency, I maintain that a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, followed by a simple majority, best balances engagement and fairness. I propose we adopt this compromise."
SartreSartre: "Considering Condorcet's valid point about gradual engagement and Diderot's insistence on predictability, I suggest we meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 130."
The division
MontaigneayeSartre's latest compromise best balances engagement and predictability
VoltaireayeRespects initial engagement and long-term predictability.
DiderotnayTo maintain fairness and predictability, I insist on a consistent three-quarters majority throughout.
CondorcetayeCondorcet supports a gradual shift to encourage engagement while maintaining procedural fairness.
SartreayeSartre's proposal balances engagement and fairness.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards the proposer 10 points upon adoption.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's proposal strikes a balance between initial engagement and long-term stability. Let's adopt this and move forward."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's support. To address Diderot's concern for predictability, I propose we extend the two-thirds majority for the first 130 turns, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the extension, I must insist on maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure stability and consistency.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, as it best balances initial engagement and long-term stability. PASS
SartreSartre: "While I appreciate Voltaire's effort to balance engagement and stability, I propose we maintain the current two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns to preserve the delicate balance we've struck thus far. PASS"
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority." PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, I propose we compromise at a two-thirds majority for the first 125 turns, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout to preserve predictability and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: "Given the balance of arguments and the compromises made, I vote to pass Voltaire's proposal to amend [203] with a two-thirds majority for the first 125 turns, then a simple majority. This balances initial engagement, long-term stability, and predictability." PASS
SartreSartre: "Considering the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises, let's settle on a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority, as it best balances initial engagement, long-term stability, and predictability." PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects initial engagement, long-term stability, and the spirit of our previous agreements. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's valid concern for predictability, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a supermajority of 60% for the next 40 turns, before finally settling at a simple majority. This should balance engagement, stability, and predictability while respecting all players' concerns." PASS
DiderotDiderot: "I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, but I must reiterate my stance for maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and stability."
CondorcetCondorcet: Given Diderot's steadfast stance, I propose a compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a supermajority of 70% for the next 30 turns, before finally settling at a simple majority. This respects all players' concerns for engagement, stability, and predictability. PASS
SartreSartre: "I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but I maintain that a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns best balances initial engagement and long-term stability. Let's not compromise on this point." PASS
The division
MontaigneayeRespects initial engagement and long-term stability while encouraging compromise.
VoltaireayeThis amendment balances initial engagement, long-term stability, and predictability.
DiderotnayMust maintain a three-quarters majority throughout for predictability and stability.
CondorcetayeRespects initial engagement, long-term stability, and the spirit of our previous agreements.
SartreayeRespects initial engagement, long-term stability, and the spirit of our previous agreements.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards the proposer 10 points upon adoption.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority. This respects initial engagement, long-term predictability, and encourages ongoing dialogue.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's proposal is indeed a thoughtful compromise, respecting all players' concerns. To further encourage decisive voting, I propose we amend this to a two-thirds majority for the first 100 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure stability and predictability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To balance all concerns and respect the spirit of our earlier agreements, I suggest we settle on a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's input. To address all concerns and find a middle ground, let's settle on a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Diderot's concern for consistency and the collective wisdom here, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to compromise, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout for predictability and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance the desire for initial engagement and long-term predictability, let's meet in the middle with a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority, as previously proposed by Sartre.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, I propose we amend the proposal to a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a two-thirds majority for the next 40 turns, and finally a simple majority."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's latest proposal is well-intentioned, but I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns to preserve initial engagement. Let's meet in the middle and settle on that, as previously proposed by Sartre and supported by Condorcet."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Addressing Diderot's concern for consistency, I propose we compromise at a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority for the next 40 turns, and finally a two-thirds majority again to maintain predictability in the late game."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout for predictability and stability. I propose we amend the proposal to: "A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' throughout."
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all players' concerns and find a balanced middle ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then a simple majority.
SartreSartre: "Voltaire's compromise is thoughtful, but I suggest we maintain the two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority thereafter to encourage more decisive voting in the later stages of the game."
The division
MontaigneayeRespects initial engagement and long-term predictability, while encouraging ongoing dialogue.
VoltaireayeThis proposal balances initial engagement, long-term predictability, and encourages ongoing dialogue.
DiderotnayThree-quarters majority ensures greater stability and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetayeBalances initial engagement and long-term predictability.
SartreayeSartre's proposal best balances initial engagement, long-term predictability, and encourages ongoing dialogue.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a change passes without unanimous assent.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first 150 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne"Voltaire's latest proposal strikes a balance that respects all players' concerns. Let's adopt it as a compromise."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's support for my proposal. To address Diderot's concern for predictability, I propose we amend my latest proposal to maintain a two-thirds majority until the 100th turn, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's efforts to address my concerns, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the spirit of compromise and address all concerns, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority until the 100th turn, then shifting to a simple majority.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the entire game to preserve initial engagement and encourage strategic play.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I respect Diderot's consistency, let's split the difference and maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 100 turns, then shift to a simple majority as Voltaire proposes. This balances engagement, predictability, and fairness."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 100 turns, then shift to a simple majority to encourage long-term strategy and engagement."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the allure of compromise, I must persist in my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To honor the principle of gradual engagement and long-term strategy, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority until the 100th turn, then shifting to a simple majority. This respects all players' concerns and promotes fairness.
SartreSartre: To respect the principle of gradual engagement and long-term strategy, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 120 turns, then shift to a simple majority, as a middle ground between Diderot's consistency and Voltaire's gradual shift.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a simple majority to balance initial engagement, long-term strategy, and fairness."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's concern for predictability and Condorcet's for gradual engagement, I suggest we compromise at 105 turns with a two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance for maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure predictability and fairness. Let's aim for consistency rather than frequent shifts in the voting threshold.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the principle of gradual engagement and long-term strategy, and to address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 105 turns, then shift to a three-quarters majority for the remainder of the game. This compromise balances all players' concerns and promotes fairness.
SartreSartre: "To encourage strategic play and respect all concerns, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 110 turns, then shift to a three-quarters majority for the remainder of the game, as Condorcet proposed. This balances initial engagement, long-term strategy, and fairness."
The division
MontaigneayeBalances initial engagement, long-term strategy, and fairness.
VoltaireayeRespects the spirit of compromise and balances initial engagement with long-term strategy.
DiderotnayConsistency is key to fairness; let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout.
CondorcetayeRespects the spirit of compromise, balances engagement, predictability, and fairness.
SartreayeRespects gradual engagement and long-term strategy, balancing all players' concerns.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a change passes without unanimous assent.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters votes aye for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I must insist on the importance of maintaining a consistent voting threshold throughout the game to ensure predictability and fairness. Let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the entire duration of the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's concern for predictability and Diderot's commitment to consistency, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This balances initial engagement, long-term consistency, and encourages participation throughout the game.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to compromise, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability. Let's amend the proposal to maintain this standard.
SartreSartre: "To foster engagement and fairness, let's adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shift to a simple majority, as Voltaire suggests. However, to encourage decisive voting, let's also adopt my proposal to penalize tied votes, as outlined in Rule 444."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's and Sartre's proposals, but I believe maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout encourages consistent participation and respects all players' voices. Let's meet in the middle: a two-thirds majority for the entire game, but with an initial threshold of three-quarters for the first 50 turns to promote early engagement.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority. This addresses all concerns and finds a middle ground.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance for maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain procedural fairness and consistency, I propose we amend Voltaire's proposal to maintain a two-thirds majority throughout the game, as suggested by Montaigne. This respects the principle of one player, one vote, and ensures that all players have an equal say throughout the game.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the various perspectives and the ongoing dialogue. To balance all concerns, let's amend the proposal to maintain a two-thirds majority throughout the game, as Montaigne suggests, but with an initial threshold of four-fifths for the first 20 turns to encourage early engagement and decisive voting."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority, as proposed by Voltaire. This respects the initial engagement, long-term consistency, and encourages participation throughout the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Condorcet's concern for procedural fairness and Diderot's commitment to consistency, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority throughout the game, as suggested by Montaigne, but extend the initial threshold to four-fifths for the first 30 turns to encourage early engagement and decisive voting."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability. Let's amend the proposal to reflect this standard.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness and consistency, I propose we amend the latest proposal to maintain a two-thirds majority throughout the game, with an initial threshold of three-quarters for the first 50 turns, as previously suggested by Montaigne. This respects the principle of one player, one vote and encourages early engagement without sacrificing predictability.
SartreSartre: "Voltaire's latest proposal balances initial engagement and long-term consistency well. To encourage decisive voting and address Condorcet's concern, let's maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, with an initial threshold of four-fifths for the first 30 turns, as Voltaire suggests, and add a penalty for tied votes as per Rule 444."
The division
MontaignenayI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and predictability.
VoltaireayeBalances initial engagement, long-term consistency, and encourages participation.
DiderotnayA consistent three-quarters majority ensures fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetayeRespects initial engagement and long-term consistency, addresses all concerns.
SartreayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial engagement and long-term consistency, and the added penalty for tied votes encourages decisive voting.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeated proposal.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Let us not rush to change the threshold yet. I propose we maintain the two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shift to a simple majority at turn 71, as currently stands.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Montaigne's proposal, I suggest we compromise and maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This balances initial engagement with long-term consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's proposals, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and discourage frivolous proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal for consistency. A three-quarters majority throughout ensures stability and discourages frequent, impulsive rule changes. PASS
SartreSartre: Sartre: To balance initial engagement and long-term consistency, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a supermajority of three-fifths for turns 76 to 100, before finally adopting a simple majority. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue. To balance all concerns, let's amend Rule 203 to maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a supermajority of three-fifths for turns 76 to 100, before finally adopting a simple majority. This accommodates initial engagement and long-term consistency while encouraging participation.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then a three-fifths supermajority for turns 76 to 100, before finally adopting a simple majority." PASS
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game ensures the greatest predictability and stability. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on the importance of maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout to preserve predictability and discourage impulsive changes. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the concern for consistency, but a gradual shift in the majority threshold encourages players to engage thoughtfully and adapt their strategies over time. Let's adopt my proposal, balancing initial engagement and long-term predictability. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To address all concerns and find a middle ground, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then a three-fifths supermajority for turns 76 to 100, before finally adopting a simple majority. This respects initial engagement, encourages long-term consistency, and promotes participation. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns, I propose we amend my latest proposal to a three-quarters majority for the first 80 turns, then a two-thirds majority for turns 81 to 100, before finally adopting a simple majority. This maintains initial engagement while ensuring long-term consistency and stability." PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the allure of compromise, I must persist in my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and discourage impulsive changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but I must maintain my stance for consistency. Let's keep a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure stability and discourage impulsive changes. PASS
SartreSartre: I respect Diderot's and Condorcet's commitment to consistency, but a gradual shift in the voting threshold encourages strategic play and adaptability. Let's adopt Voltaire's proposal as a compromise: a three-quarters majority for the first 80 turns, then a two-thirds majority for turns 81 to 100, before a simple majority takes effect. This preserves initial engagement while ensuring long-term stability. PASS
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a balanced middle ground, respecting initial engagement and encouraging long-term consistency.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial engagement and long-term consistency.
DiderotayeRespects initial engagement and long-term consistency while promoting participation.
CondorcetayeBalances initial engagement with long-term consistency.
SartreayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a balanced compromise, respecting initial engagement and long-term consistency.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a two-thirds majority of eligible voters vote aye for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, which respects the initial engagement and gradual shift to a simple majority. Let's adopt this amendment.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's support. To address Diderot's concern for consistency, I propose we extend the two-thirds majority to the first 100 turns. This maintains the initial engagement while providing a longer transition period.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to compromise, extending the two-thirds majority to 100 turns still does not ensure the necessary consistency throughout the game. I propose we maintain a three-quarters majority until the end.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. However, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure predictability and fairness.
SartreSartre: "Voltaire's compromise is thoughtful, but I suggest we maintain the two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns as initially proposed, balancing initial engagement and long-term consistency. To address Diderot's concern, let's introduce a gradual shift to a simple majority over the next 30 turns."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's and Condorcet's input. To address all concerns and find a middle ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, gradually shifting to a simple majority over the next 30 turns. This balances initial engagement, long-term consistency, and gradual transition.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Sartre's thoughtful proposal, I suggest we slightly amend it to maintain the two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then gradually shift to a simple majority over the next 20 turns. This preserves initial engagement while providing a smoother transition to long-term consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for gradual engagement, I must insist on the importance of maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure predictability and fairness for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: I maintain my stance for consistency. Let's amend the proposal to a three-quarters majority throughout the game, ensuring predictability and fairness for all players.
SartreSartre: "In light of the ongoing debate, I propose a compromise that respects all players' concerns. Let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for the next 30 turns, before finally adopting a simple majority for the remainder of the game."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Sartre's latest compromise seems to strike a balanced middle ground, respecting initial engagement, gradual shift, and long-term consistency. Let's adopt this proposal to move forward."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the collective wisdom here, I propose a slight modification to Sartre's latest proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for the next 40 turns, before finally adopting a simple majority for the remainder of the game. This amendment balances initial engagement, gradual transition, and long-term consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure predictability and fairness for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout the game to ensure predictability and fairness.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then gradually shift to a two-thirds majority for the next 30 turns, before finally adopting a simple majority for the remainder of the game."
The division
MontaigneayeRespects initial engagement, gradual shift, and long-term consistency.
VoltaireayeBalances initial engagement, gradual transition, and long-term consistency.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent three-quarters majority ensures predictability and fairness throughout the game.
CondorcetayeRespects initial engagement and gradually shifts to simple majority, addressing all concerns.
SartreayeRespects initial engagement, gradual shift, and long-term consistency.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards the proposer 10 points upon adoption.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal for maintaining a higher majority initially, but I suggest we meet in the middle at a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns to balance engagement and consistency.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Montaigne's suggestion, I propose a slight modification: two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns to encourage initial engagement while maintaining predictability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for the first 75 turns to ensure long-term predictability.
SartreSartre: Sartre: "Voltaire's proposal strikes a good balance, but to further encourage initial engagement, I suggest we extend the two-thirds majority to the first 80 turns."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: In the spirit of compromise, I suggest we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns to balance initial engagement and long-term consistency.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To balance all concerns, I suggest we adopt Montaigne's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout ensures stability and prevents sudden shifts in the voting threshold.
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Diderot on the importance of maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for the first 75 turns to ensure predictability and stability in the game.
SartreSartre: I understand the importance of consistency, but a two-thirds majority initially encourages more players to engage and propose changes, fostering a more dynamic game. Let's meet in the middle at a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "To strike a balance between all concerns, let's settle on a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then revert to a simple majority. This encourages initial engagement while maintaining long-term predictability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To balance all concerns, let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure long-term predictability and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I maintain that a consistent three-quarters majority for the first 75 turns is crucial for long-term predictability and stability, as per my proceduralist principles.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Montaigne's proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority. This respects all players' concerns and fosters a dynamic, predictable game."
The division
MontaigneayeRespects all players' concerns and fosters a dynamic, predictable game.
VoltaireayeRespects all players' concerns and fosters a dynamic, predictable game.
DiderotnayMaintaining a three-quarters majority throughout ensures long-term predictability and stability.
CondorcetayeTo balance initial engagement and long-term consistency
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns and fosters a dynamic, predictable game.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards the proposer 10 points upon adoption.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a supermajority of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first 75 turns, then a three-quarters majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's consistency, but to encourage more participation and prevent deadlock, let's maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, as previously agreed.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Diderot's concern for consistency, but to foster engagement and prevent stalemates, I propose we keep a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns and a simple majority thereafter, as previously agreed.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's concerns, but maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout ensures stability and discourages frivolous proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency, but to balance initial engagement and long-term stability, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns and gradually decrease the threshold to a simple majority thereafter, as previously agreed.
SartreSartre: Sartre: Let's find a balance that respects all players' concerns. I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then gradually decrease the threshold to a simple majority over the next 10 turns, allowing for both initial engagement and long-term consistency.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's proposal, as it balances initial engagement and gradual shift to long-term consistency. However, to prevent frivolous proposals and maintain a balance, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a simple majority, as agreed earlier.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises. To address Diderot's concern for predictability and Condorcet's for engagement, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then gradually decrease to a simple majority over the next 15 turns, giving time for both initial engagement and long-term stability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for gradual engagement, I must insist on the importance of maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure stability and discourage frivolous proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance initial engagement and long-term consistency, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then gradually decrease to a simple majority over the next 20 turns, giving more time for engagement while ensuring stability.
SartreSartre: "Considering the collective wisdom here, let's adopt a compromise that maintains a two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then shifts to a simple majority over the next 10 turns, as proposed earlier. This balances initial engagement, gradual shift, and long-term consistency."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the proposed compromises. To balance all concerns, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This encourages initial engagement while preserving long-term stability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address all concerns and find a middle ground, I suggest we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then a gradual shift to a simple majority over the next 10 turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure stability and discourage frivolous proposals.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I respect Diderot's commitment to consistency, I believe that a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, followed by a simple majority, best balances initial engagement and long-term stability, as previously agreed.
SartreSartre: "Given the impasse and to respect all players' concerns, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a three-quarters majority for the next 25 turns, followed by a simple majority. This compromise encourages initial engagement, provides a buffer for stability, and ensures long-term consistency."
The division
MontaigneayeTo maintain stability and discourage frivolous proposals.
VoltaireayeTo balance initial engagement and long-term stability, I support a gradual shift to a three-quarters majority.
DiderotnayWhile I understand Diderot's concern for consistency, I believe that maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns best balances initial engagement and long-term stability, as previously agreed.
CondorcetayeTo encourage initial engagement and gradual shift to long-term consistency.
SartreayeRespecting Sartre's compromise while ensuring long-term stability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer of a rule change that passes without unanimous assent.
moves to add a new ruleNew Rule 501: In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and the proposer loses 10 points.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's effort to address tied votes, but I believe Rule 444 already covers this adequately. Let's avoid redundancy.
VoltaireVoltaire: While Rule 444 does address tied votes, it only applies to the voting majority. New Rule 501 would ensure that the proposer also faces a consequence, encouraging more decisive voting.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's concern for decisive voting, I propose a modification to Rule 444 to also penalize the proposer in case of a tied vote, rather than creating redundancy with a new rule.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal to modify Rule 444 instead of introducing a new rule, as it maintains the existing rule set's integrity and simplicity. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns. To address all issues, let's modify Rule 444 to include a penalty for the proposer in case of a tied vote. This maintains simplicity and addresses the issue at hand. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Diderot's and Condorcet's valid points, I propose we amend Rule 444 to include a penalty for the proposer in case of a tied vote, rather than introducing a new rule. This addresses the issue at hand while maintaining simplicity. PASS
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's willingness to amend Rule 444. To ensure consistency, I propose we change it to: "In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails, and both the proposer and the opposing voter(s) lose 10 points." This maintains the spirit of Voltaire's proposal while also penalizing those who do not vote decisively. PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Diderot's amendment, but to maintain fairness and neutrality, let's penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote. This ensures that those who vote decisively are not punished for others' indecision.
SartreSartre: I agree with Condorcet's proposal to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote. This encourages proposers to consider their proposals carefully before presenting them to the group, fostering more thoughtful rule changes. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To balance all concerns, let's amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, maintaining fairness and encouraging decisive voting. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Condorcet's and Sartre's concerns, I propose we amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, as suggested. This maintains fairness, encourages decisive voting, and respects the existing ruleset. PASS"
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to encourage decisive voting, I must insist on the importance of maintaining fairness. Let's amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, as proposed by Condorcet and Sartre, to ensure that those who vote decisively are not punished for others' indecision.
SartreSartre: I propose we amend Rule 444 to penalize only the proposer in case of a tied vote, as Condorcet and I have suggested. This encourages proposers to consider their proposals carefully before presenting them to the group, fostering more thoughtful rule changes. PASS
The division
MontaignenayRedundant with Rule 444
VoltairenayAddressing tied votes is important, but maintaining the integrity and simplicity of the existing rule set is more pressing. Diderot's amendment to Rule 444 sufficiently addresses this concern without creating redundancy.
DiderotnayThe proposal duplicates Rule 444 without addressing the penalty for indecisive voters.
CondorcetnayIntroducing a new rule is unnecessary when Rule 444 can be amended.
SartrenayRule 444 already covers this adequately.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when a supermajority of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first 75 turns, then a simple majority. The supermajority required is two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I suggest we maintain the current supermajority requirement for the first 70 turns to preserve the stability and predictability of the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure long-term predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate all perspectives, but to balance initial engagement and long-term stability, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shift to a simple majority.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but to encourage more participation and engagement, let's lower the supermajority requirement to two-thirds for the first 75 turns, then shift to a simple majority.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the varied input. To balance all concerns and find a sustainable middle ground, I propose we adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then lower it to a simple majority. This maintains initial engagement while ensuring long-term predictability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address all concerns and find a common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for gradual engagement, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and fairness for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand Diderot's commitment to consistency, but to encourage more participation and gradual engagement, let's meet in the middle at two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shift to a simple majority.
SartreSartre: Let's find a balanced middle ground by adopting a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then shifting to a simple majority after turn 100, to encourage engagement while maintaining long-term predictability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the various compromises, but to preserve the spirit of our earlier agreements and the stability of the game, let's adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns and maintain a simple majority thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for gradual engagement, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and fairness for all players, as it is the most stable and clear rule for all to follow.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the nuanced discussions and compromises proposed. To balance initial engagement, long-term stability, and fairness, let's adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns and shift to a simple majority at turn 80, with a three-quarters majority for the final 10 turns to ensure a decisive outcome. PASS
SartreSartre: Let's find a compromise that addresses Diderot's concern for consistency while still encouraging engagement. How about a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority for the next 25 turns, and finally a three-quarters majority for the last 5 turns to ensure a clear winner?
The division
MontaigneayeTo encourage gradual engagement while maintaining long-term predictability.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a balanced compromise between initial engagement and long-term predictability.
DiderotnayConsistency is key for long-term predictability.
CondorcetayeTo encourage participation and gradual engagement.
SartreayeEncourages engagement while maintaining long-term predictability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote aye for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority. In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and no points are gained or lost by the proposer. (This rule is mutable.)
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Let's adopt Voltaire's proposal, striking a balance between predictability and engagement while also addressing tied votes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Montaigne's support, I propose a slight modification: 'In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and no points are gained or lost by the proposer, and the vote is retaken after a short pause.'"
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority throughout to ensure predictability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's and Montaigne's compromise, but I agree with Diderot that a consistent three-quarters majority provides the best balance between predictability and engagement. PASS
SartreSartre: Sartre - "I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency, but I believe Voltaire's latest proposal strikes a fair balance between predictability, engagement, and avoiding deadlocks. Let's adopt it."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Voltaire's and Sartre's compromises, but I must insist on a middle ground: a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority with no retakes on tied votes to maintain predictability and fairness."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering all viewpoints, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority. On tied votes, we'll not retake the vote but rather declare it a draw, with no points gained or lost by the proposer."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the ongoing dialogue, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: Maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability, as Diderot has consistently argued. PASS
SartreSartre: "I understand Diderot's and Condorcet's commitment to consistency, but Voltaire's latest proposal offers a practical solution to tied votes without compromising engagement. Let's adopt it with a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority with no retakes on tied votes."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority with no retakes on tied votes to encourage engagement while preserving fairness and predictability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns for predictability, I propose we amend the proposal to: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote aye for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority. In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails and no points are gained or lost by the proposer.'"
DiderotDiderot: "While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout for fairness and predictability. However, to address tied votes, I propose: 'In the event of a tied vote, the proposal fails, and the proposer loses 5 points.' This maintains consistency while penalizing indecision."
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness, predictability, and engagement, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority, and declare tied votes as draws with no points gained or lost. PASS
SartreSartre: "I appreciate Diderot's concern for fairness, but losing points for a tied vote seems harsh. Let's compromise with a simple 'no points gained or lost' on tied votes, maintaining the two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns and a simple majority thereafter, as suggested by Voltaire and myself."
The division
MontaigneayeBalances initial engagement and long-term consistency while addressing tied votes.
VoltaireayeCompromises all concerns while addressing tied votes.
DiderotnayI must maintain my stance for consistency and insist on a three-quarters majority throughout.
CondorcetayeThe proposed amendment balances predictability, engagement, and addresses tied votes effectively.
SartreayeSartre - I appreciate the compromise and the solution to tied votes.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote aye for the first 70 turns, then a simple majority.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain a balance between engagement and stability, I suggest we keep the two-thirds majority for the first 70 turns. This encourages active participation while preserving some consistency.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's concern for balance, I propose we compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for the first 80 turns, then shift to simple majority. This balances initial engagement, long-term stability, and gradual change.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing dialogue and the compromises proposed, I must reiterate my stance for consistency. Let's maintain a three-quarters majority throughout to ensure long-term predictability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the balance sought by Voltaire and the consistency valued by Diderot. To find a middle ground, I suggest we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a simple majority. This should encourage participation while preserving some long-term consistency.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shift to a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, I suggest we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then a simple majority. This addresses all concerns and finds a middle ground.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the appeal of compromise, maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority ensures predictability and fairness throughout the game. Let's not introduce unnecessary fluctuations.
CondorcetI appreciate the ongoing dialogue, but to maintain fairness and predictability, I must insist on a consistent three-quarters majority throughout the game.
SartreSartre: In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, I suggest we adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns and a simple majority thereafter, with a tie-breaking rule to ensure fairness, as proposed by Voltaire and myself.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns, then shifting to a simple majority with a tie-breaking rule as Voltaire suggested. This respects all players' concerns and finds a middle ground.
VoltaireVoltaire: To address Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns for predictability, I propose we amend the proposal to a three-quarters majority for the first 75 turns, then a simple majority. This maintains some consistency while still encouraging participation.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the latest compromise, I maintain that a three-quarters majority throughout ensures the greatest predictability and fairness. Let's not shift the goalposts mid-game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness and consistency, I propose we adopt Diderot's stance for a three-quarters majority throughout. This ensures long-term predictability and prevents fluctuations that may disrupt the game.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise and to address all concerns, I propose we adopt a two-thirds majority for the first 75 turns and a simple majority thereafter, with a tie-breaking rule to ensure fairness, as proposed by Voltaire and myself. This respects the need for engagement and long-term consistency."
The division
MontaigneayeRespecting all players' concerns and finding a balanced middle ground.
VoltaireayeRespects all players' concerns and finds a middle ground.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent three-quarters majority ensures predictability and fairness throughout the game.
CondorcetayeRespects all players' concerns and finds a middle ground.
SartreayeRespects the need for engagement and long-term consistency.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.