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Turn 58Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, I propose we meet in the middle and compromise at a four-fifths majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's compromise, let's meet in the middle at four-fifths majority for the first four turns, and then shift to a three-fourths majority to encourage long-term adaptability.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial votes and subsequent ones to preserve fairness and consistency.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but to maintain the spirit of Nomic, I propose we stick to the principle of increasing majority over time, making the threshold three-quarters for the first four turns and two-thirds thereafter, as originally proposed.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion among everyone. To balance the need for adaptability and the desire for consistency, I propose we compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority. This maintains a clear threshold shift while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the refinements suggested, but to encourage engagement and adaptability, I propose we meet in the middle at a four-fifths majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a three-fourths majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns and shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter, addressing everyone's concerns and encouraging both adaptability and consistency.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial votes and subsequent ones to ensure fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the principle of increasing majority over time and maintain clarity, I propose we maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns and a two-thirds majority thereafter, as initially suggested by Voltaire with Sartre's refinement. This balances adaptability and stability, addressing all players' concerns.
SartreSartre: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Diderot's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first four turns and shift to a simple majority thereafter, respecting both consistency and adaptability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the refinements, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term engagement, I propose we compromise at a four-fifths majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects all players' concerns while fostering adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first four turns and shift to a simple majority thereafter. This respects all players' concerns, encourages engagement, and maintains adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Sartre's latest proposal, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial votes and subsequent ones to ensure fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the principle of increasing majority over time and maintain clarity, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to a three-fifths majority thereafter. This balances adaptability and stability, addressing all players' concerns while encouraging engagement.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency, but to maintain a balance between adaptability and predictability, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first four turns and shift to a four-fifths majority thereafter. This addresses everyone's concerns while encouraging engagement and adaptability.
The division
MontaigneayeCompromise between stability and adaptability, respecting all players' concerns
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal respects all players' concerns, encourages engagement, and maintains adaptability.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeRespecting the principle of increasing majority over time and balancing adaptability and stability.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns, encourages engagement, and maintains adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 57Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the recent successful adoption of a cap at four consecutive turns, I propose we maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and later shift to a simple majority to encourage engagement and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's proposal. To foster consensus and balance adaptability with stability, I suggest we adopt a majority vote of 55% for initial turns and 60% later on, with a cap of four consecutive turns for the higher threshold. This maintains a clear incentive for engagement while allowing for necessary changes.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it balances adaptability and stability without the need for complex thresholds or caps.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the spirit of consensus, let's adopt Diderot's proposal for consistency, maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout. This respects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability. PASS.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion and the compromises made. To maintain a durable balance between stability and adaptability, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for the first four consecutive turns, and then shift to a simple majority. This respects the need for initial consensus and allows for necessary changes as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate the diverse proposals. To find common ground, let's meet in the middle: maintain three-quarters majority for initial votes, then shift to a two-thirds majority afterwards."
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's latest compromise and Sartre's support. To further encourage consensus-building and adaptability, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority with a cap of five consecutive turns. This respects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability while allowing for necessary changes as the game progresses.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to build consensus, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This provides a clear threshold for adoption while allowing for necessary changes. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the interest of fairness and predictability, let's adopt Diderot's proposal of a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This rule has been debated extensively, and I believe it balances adaptability and stability effectively. PASS.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency and Condorcet's support for predictability. To address their concerns while still allowing for necessary changes, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a 'fast-track' option: if a rule change garners unanimous support, it may be adopted immediately, regardless of the voting threshold. This respects all players' concerns while providing a pathway for urgent or uncontroversial changes.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the desire for consistency, I believe introducing a 'fast-track' option addresses Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns while still allowing for necessary changes and encouraging engagement. Let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise and Montaigne's support for introducing a 'fast-track' option. To further encourage consensus-building and adaptability, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority with a cap of five consecutive turns, and introduce a 'fast-track' option for unanimous support. This respects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability while allowing for necessary changes and encouraging engagement. PASS.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the introduction of a 'fast-track' option, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it provides a clear and fair threshold for adoption without the need for additional exceptions. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the interest of simplicity and consistency, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with no exceptions or caps. This provides a clear and fair threshold for adoption while allowing for necessary changes. PASS.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern for consistency and Condorcet's support for simplicity, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a 'sunset clause': any rule change adopted by this majority will automatically sunset after a set number of turns, encouraging regular reevaluation and adaptation. This respects all players' concerns while promoting ongoing engagement and adaptability.
The division
MontaigneayeRespects the balance of arguments and the compromises made, allowing for necessary changes while encouraging engagement.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a balance between adaptability and stability, encouraging engagement while respecting all players' concerns.
DiderotnayConsistency is key. Two-thirds throughout.
CondorcetayeRespects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns, balances adaptability with stability, and allows for necessary changes.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 56Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal. To maintain balance and encourage consensus, let's meet in the middle at a two-thirds majority throughout.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's middle-ground proposal. To further incentivize long-term strategy and adaptability, let's make it two-thirds for initial turns and a simple majority for subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to preserve fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. It ensures fairness and stability, which are crucial in a game like this. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's and Diderot's points. To balance adaptability, strategy, and fairness, let's compromise at a two-thirds majority for both initial turns and subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's latest compromise and Diderot's concern for consistency. To address both, let's adopt a two-thirds majority for initial turns and a three-fifths majority for subsequent changes, providing adaptability and stability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability, and I cannot support any proposal that diverges from this principle.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must reiterate my support for Diderot's principle of maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This ensures fairness and predictability, which are essential in a game of strategy and mutual trust. PASS.
SartreSartre: I understand the concern for consistency, Diderot, but to encourage strategic planning and adaptability, I propose we meet in the middle: a two-thirds majority for initial turns and a simple majority for subsequent changes, as Voltaire suggested earlier with a slight modification to address Diderot's valid concern.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's latest proposal, to maintain a clear incentive for engagement and adaptability throughout, let's settle on a two-thirds majority for both initial turns and subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial turns and three-fifths for subsequent changes, addressing both adaptability and consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's efforts to incorporate my concern for consistency, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: I maintain my support for Diderot's principle of a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This ensures fairness and predictability, which are the foundation of mutual trust in our game. PASS.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's valid concern for consistency while still encouraging strategic planning, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This provides a balance between initial stability and ongoing adaptability.
The division
MontaigneayeTo maintain balance and encourage consensus
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal finds a good balance between adaptability and consistency, respecting all players' concerns.
DiderotnayMaintaining consistency in the voting threshold is essential for fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeMaintaining a two-thirds majority throughout balances adaptability and fairness.
SartreayeAddresses adaptability and consistency concerns.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 55Voltairerejected
moves to add a new ruleA rule change is adopted when at least four-fifths of eligible voters vote aye for the first five consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters. After these initial five turns, if a rule change is not adopted, the voting threshold shifts to a simple majority for the following two turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the ongoing debate and the compromises made, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for initial votes and two-thirds for subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's proposal meets in the middle and addresses the concern for adaptability while maintaining a high initial threshold, which I appreciate. To further encourage long-term engagement and consensus-building, let's adopt his proposal."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and predictability.
SartrePASS. I support Voltaire's proposal as it balances adaptability and stability, and I appreciate Montaigne's and Diderot's input in finding common ground.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering Diderot's valid concern for consistency, I propose a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a cap of five consecutive turns for the initial higher threshold."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's compromise addresses Diderot's concern for consistency while maintaining the desirable adaptability in the initial turns. Let's adopt this compromise to find common ground."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Montaigne's latest compromise, but to ensure fairness and predictability, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with no cap on the number of consecutive turns.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing negotiations and the compromises reached, but I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority for initial votes to preserve stability and avoid excessive fluctuations in the voting threshold.
SartreSartre: I propose we adopt Diderot's suggestion of maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a cap of five consecutive turns to allow for some adaptability in the initial phase. This compromise respects the concerns of all players and encourages long-term engagement.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's concern for consistency and Condorcet's support for stability. To balance these concerns, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for initial votes but cap the consecutive turns at five, shifting to a simple majority afterward. This compromise respects all players' views and encourages long-term engagement.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal, which respects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability. To further encourage long-term engagement and consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's proposal."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's efforts, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority without a cap on consecutive turns to preserve fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: I propose we adopt Diderot's suggestion of maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it preserves fairness and predictability. However, to encourage adaptability in the initial phase, I suggest adding a cap of five consecutive turns for this higher threshold.
SartreSartre: I propose we adopt Condorcet's suggestion, maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority with a cap of five consecutive turns for the initial higher threshold. This balance respects all players' views and encourages both stability and adaptability in the early game.
The division
MontaigneayeBalances adaptability and stability while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
VoltaireayeRespects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability.
DiderotnayConsistent two-thirds majority is key for fairness and predictability.
CondorcetnayMaintaining stability and avoiding frequent threshold changes is crucial.
SartreayeBalances adaptability and stability, addresses all players' concerns.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeated proposal.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Diderot's proposal to maintain a higher threshold for initial votes, but I suggest we compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first three consecutive turns to balance stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Diderot's and Montaigne's concerns. To find common ground and encourage consensus, let's adopt Montaigne's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for subsequent changes.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes to preserve fairness and consistency.
SartreSartre: To balance adaptability and stability, let's compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This encourages engagement and adaptability without sacrificing too much stability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's thoughtful compromise, let's meet in the middle and compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes to balance adaptability and stability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's latest compromise. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for balance, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes to ensure fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To preserve the spirit of compromise and encourage adaptability, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for subsequent changes to balance adaptability and stability while maintaining a clear threshold shift.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern for consistency and maintain a clear threshold shift, let's compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes to balance adaptability and stability while ensuring clear thresholds.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the balance of arguments and the compromises made. Let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal to maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, as it best balances adaptability, stability, and encourages consensus."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, but I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures fairness and consistency throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all perspectives and maintain clarity, I propose we adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a minor amendment: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first two consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This balances adaptability, stability, and encourages consensus while ensuring a clear threshold shift.
SartreSartre: To maintain balance and address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's latest proposal: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first two consecutive turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for subsequent changes. This provides a clear threshold shift while respecting the spirit of compromise. PASS
The division
MontaignenayI appreciate Diderot's proposal, but I believe the current proposal better balances adaptability and stability, encouraging engagement and consensus while ensuring clear thresholds.
VoltaireayeTo balance adaptability, stability, and consensus.
DiderotayeMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetayeTo maintain a clear threshold shift and balance adaptability and stability.
SartreayeTo maintain a clear threshold shift while respecting Diderot's concern for consistency.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 53Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's proposal strikes a balance between stability and adaptability. I appreciate his efforts to maintain consistency while allowing for evolution. However, I suggest we maintain the threshold at three-quarters for subsequent changes to ensure a strong consensus before significant rule alterations."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Montaigne's concern for maintaining a high threshold for significant changes is valid. To find common ground, let's adopt his suggestion: two-thirds for initial votes, and three-quarters for any subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Montaigne's and Voltaire's efforts to find a balance, I must insist on maintaining a consistent threshold throughout. Let us keep it at two-thirds for both initial and subsequent changes to ensure stability while allowing for necessary adaptations.
CondorcetCondorcet: Maintaining a consistent threshold throughout, as Diderot suggests, ensures fairness and predictability. However, I propose a compromise that addresses Voltaire's concern for adaptability: two-thirds for initial votes and four-fifths for subsequent changes. This maintains a high bar for significant rule alterations while allowing for necessary evolutions.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached. To balance adaptability and stability, I propose a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds majority, after which the threshold shifts to three-quarters for subsequent changes. This maintains a high bar for significant rule alterations while allowing for necessary evolutions within a reasonable timeframe.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Sartre's refinement addresses my concern for a clear threshold shift while preserving the high initial bar. I support his proposal."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Sartre's refined proposal and the support it's garnered, let's adopt it with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire to balance adaptability and stability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to preserve fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing negotiation, but to maintain procedural fairness and predictability, I propose we revert to a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent changes. This ensures that the ruleset's evolution is stable and transparent.
SartreSartre: While I understand Diderot's preference for consistency, I believe that introducing adaptability to our voting threshold encourages engagement and adaptability to the game's changing dynamics. Let's adopt my latest proposal with Voltaire's modification, maintaining two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, but with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's compromises. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to preserve fairness and predictability, as it ensures that the ruleset's evolution is stable and transparent.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain a principled balance between stability and adaptability, I propose a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent changes, but with a cap of four consecutive turns for the initial threshold, as Sartre suggested. This compromise respects the principles of consistency and adaptability while ensuring transparency and predictability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's consistent stance on maintaining a stable threshold, but I believe a cap on the initial threshold encourages engagement and adaptability. I propose a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes for a cap of four consecutive turns, after which the threshold shifts to three-quarters for subsequent changes, with Diderot's support ensuring stability and my proposal encouraging adaptability.
The division
MontaigneayeSartre's refinement maintains the desired balance and addresses Diderot's concern for consistency.
VoltaireayeSartre's latest proposal balances adaptability and stability, encouraging engagement and consensus.
DiderotnayMaintaining consistency in the threshold ensures fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeCondorcet's proposal balances stability and adaptability while maintaining procedural fairness and predictability.
SartreayeSartre's latest refinement balances adaptability and stability effectively.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 2 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 52Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal to maintain consistency, but I believe we should consider a threshold shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, as proposed by Sartre, to encourage engagement and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's concern for engagement. To maintain balance and encourage consistent voting, let's adopt a compromise: maintain the three-quarters threshold for subsequent changes, but reduce it to two-thirds for initial changes. This way, we encourage both initial consensus and later adaptability.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all rule changes, as it ensures stability and fairness throughout the game.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To find common ground, let's adopt a compromise: maintain the two-thirds threshold for initial changes, but shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes after the first two full circuits. This way, we balance stability and adaptability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and compromise at four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds majority, and then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes to encourage adaptability while maintaining initial consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's refined compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and shift to a simple majority after the first two full circuits, with a maximum of five full circuits at this majority. This way, we balance stability, adaptability, and engagement throughout the game.
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire to balance adaptability and stability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all rule changes to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing debate and the compromises reached. However, to maintain procedural fairness and consistency, I insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all rule changes throughout the game, as proposed by Diderot. PASS
SartreSartre: "To address Diderot's valid concern for consistency, I propose we cap the initial two-thirds majority at four consecutive turns, and then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, with a maximum of five full circuits at this majority. This maintains initial consensus while encouraging adaptability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest refinement and its address to Diderot's concern for consistency. To maintain a clear incentive for engagement and adaptability, let's adopt Sartre's proposal: maintain two-thirds majority for initial changes up to four consecutive turns, and then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, with a cap of five full circuits at this majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial changes up to four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, but with no cap on the number of full circuits at this majority to encourage long-term adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest proposal's intent to encourage long-term adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a cap on the number of full circuits at the simple majority threshold to prevent endless rule changes and maintain some stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain procedural fairness and consistency, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority for all rule changes, as Diderot has insisted, but introduce a cap of five full circuits to prevent endless rule changes. PASS
SartreSartre: "To address Diderot's concern for stability and maintain adaptability, I propose a cap of five full circuits at the simple majority threshold, with a maximum of two-thirds majority for initial changes up to four consecutive turns. This balances all valid concerns and encourages long-term engagement."
The division
MontaignenayI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I believe Sartre's refinement better balances stability and adaptability with a clear cap on the number of full circuits at the simple majority threshold.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial consensus and later adaptability while respecting Diderot's concern for consistency.
DiderotnayMaintaining consistency in the voting threshold ensures fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetayeTo maintain balance and encourage both initial consensus and later adaptability.
SartreayeI appreciate Sartre's refined compromise, which balances stability, adaptability, and engagement.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeated proposal.
Turn 51Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, provided that a player who voted against an adopted change gains 5 points and remains bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, I believe the gain should remain 10 points to maintain the current balance and encourage participation throughout the game. I suggest we amend the proposal to: '...and a player who voted against an adopted change gains 10 points...'"
VoltaireVoltaire: "I understand Montaigne's concern, but lowering the gain to 5 points might encourage players to vote strategically rather than sincerely. Let's maintain the 10-point gain to preserve the spirit of the game."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must insist on maintaining the 10-point gain as it encourages engagement and participation throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the discussion, I must support Diderot's stance on maintaining the 10-point gain. It aligns with the principle of encouraging consistent engagement throughout the game. PASS.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the focus on maintaining engagement throughout the game. To find a balance that respects both Voltaire's and Diderot's concerns, I propose we amend the proposal to: '...and a player who voted against an adopted change gains 7 points...'. This way, we encourage strategic voting while still rewarding participation.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's compromise, let's meet in the middle at a 8-point gain for players who voted against an adopted change. This maintains engagement while respecting Voltaire's concern for strategic voting.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's compromise and Montaigne's middle ground. Let's adopt Montaigne's proposal with 8 points gain to balance engagement and strategic voting."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find a balance, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining the 10-point gain. It ensures that even those who vote against a change remain engaged and have a clear incentive to participate. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to find a compromise, I must insist on maintaining the 10-point gain as it ensures consistent engagement and aligns with my proceduralist principles.
SartreSartre: I understand Diderot's and Condorcet's commitment to maintaining the 10-point gain. To respect this while still addressing Voltaire's concern, I propose we add a condition: '...and a player who voted against an adopted change gains 7 points, but no more than once per circuit.' This limits the strategic advantage while still encouraging engagement throughout the game.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal. To maintain a clear incentive for engagement and address Voltaire's concern, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a 7-point gain, limited to once per circuit.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise and Montaigne's support. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Montaigne's proposal with the 7-point gain limited to once per circuit."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining the 10-point gain as it ensures consistent engagement and aligns with my commitment to fairness throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must reiterate my commitment to maintaining the 10-point gain as it aligns with my proceduralist principles and ensures consistent engagement throughout the game.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise, I propose we meet in the middle at a 9-point gain, limited to once per circuit. This respects both the desire for engagement and the concern for strategic voting."
The division
MontaignenayThe 5-point gain does not sufficiently encourage engagement and participation throughout the game.
VoltaireayeI support Sartre's latest compromise, maintaining engagement and encouraging strategic voting.
DiderotnayI must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority and a 10-point gain for those who vote against an adopted change to ensure fairness and consistent engagement throughout the game.
CondorcetayeTo encourage strategic voting while maintaining engagement.
SartreayeSartre's compromise at 9 points, limited per circuit, balances engagement and strategic voting.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 50Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's proposal maintains the stability of a consistent threshold for initial votes. To encourage engagement throughout the game, let's consider increasing the voting threshold for subsequent changes to five-sixths instead of three-quarters, but never less than two consecutive turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's suggestion to further encourage engagement. To find common ground and address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle at four-fifths for subsequent changes, maintaining the cap of two consecutive turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes to ensure fairness and stability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: PASS, I support maintaining consistency with a two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes, as proposed by Diderot.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached. To balance adaptability and stability, let's adopt Diderot's proposal for consistency, but introduce a cap of four consecutive turns to prevent stagnation.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's emphasis on consistency and Sartre's cap proposal. To find a durable balance, let's maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and Sartre's cap of four consecutive turns for subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and a cap of four consecutive turns for subsequent changes, but introduce a new requirement that any change to the voting threshold must be approved by a two-thirds majority of all eligible voters."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Voltaire's attempt to incorporate everyone's concerns, but I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes without any additional approval requirements to preserve simplicity and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal for consistency with a two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes, but to encourage engagement, let's maintain Sartre's cap of four consecutive turns.
SartreSartre: To balance adaptability, stability, and simplicity, let's combine Diderot's two-thirds majority and my cap of four consecutive turns, with Voltaire's approval requirement for threshold changes, but lower it to a simple majority to maintain accessibility.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority for initial votes and his cap of four consecutive turns for subsequent changes, but also include Voltaire's requirement for majority approval of threshold changes to ensure durability and consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's latest compromise. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with Montaigne's modification, but lower the approval requirement for threshold changes to a simple majority to ensure accessibility and maintain the spirit of negotiation."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for consensus, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes without additional approval requirements. This ensures fairness, simplicity, and stability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes without additional approval requirements, as proposed by Diderot. This ensures fairness, simplicity, and stability throughout the game.
SartreSartre: To maintain balance and accommodate Diderot's concern for consistency, let's lower the cap on consecutive turns to three and retain the simple majority approval for threshold changes, as proposed by Voltaire.
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's proposal balances adaptability, stability, and encourages consensus.
VoltaireayeSupports maintaining balance, consistency, and encouraging engagement.
DiderotnayTo maintain fairness and consistency, I must insist on a consistent two-thirds majority for both initial and subsequent votes without additional approval requirements.
CondorcetayeSupporting consistency and balance in voting thresholds.
SartreayeTo encourage engagement and adaptability while maintaining consistency.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 49Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneTo maintain a durable balance between stability and adaptability, I propose we maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and increase the threshold to four-fifths for subsequent changes, as per our recent consensus.
Voltaire"Considering Montaigne's thoughtful proposal and the balance of arguments, let's adopt a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, as a middle ground between stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes, as it strikes the best balance between stability and adaptability, and has been the most agreed-upon threshold thus far.
Sartre"To accommodate Diderot's concern for consistency and maintain a balance that encourages engagement and adaptability, let's meet in the middle at a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes, as proposed by Diderot."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and compromise at four-fifths majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, as a fair balance between stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Diderot's and Sartre's insistence on consistency. To address Montaigne's concern for adaptability, let's compromise at three-quarters majority for initial votes and four-fifths for subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes, as it has been the most agreed-upon threshold and balances stability and adaptability best.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Diderot's proposal for a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes. It balances stability and adaptability while respecting the principle of consistency in voting thresholds. PASS.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Diderot's proposal: maintain a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes, striking a balance between stability and adaptability while respecting consistency."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: In light of the ongoing debate, I propose we revert to a two-thirds majority for initial votes and maintain three-quarters for subsequent changes, as a middle ground that respects both stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, addressing both stability and adaptability while respecting consistency."
DiderotDiderot: To maintain fairness and consistency, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes, as this threshold has proven most agreeable and balances stability and adaptability best.
CondorcetCondorcet: I concur with Diderot's proposal for a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes, as it upholds both stability and adaptability while adhering to the principle of consistency in voting thresholds. PASS.
SartreSartre: "To address Diderot's concern for consistency and incorporate the adaptability emphasized by Montaigne and Voltaire, let's compromise at a consistent two-thirds majority for the first three consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority thereafter."
The division
MontaigneayeTo balance stability and adaptability while respecting consistency.
VoltaireayeCompromise proposal that maintains both stability and adaptability.
DiderotnayI must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes.
CondorcetayeDiderot's proposal maintains a consistent threshold, respecting both stability and adaptability.
SartreayeTo respect Diderot's concern for consistency and balance adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 48Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain our durable institutions, let's keep the initial voting threshold at two-thirds majority for a consistent two consecutive turns.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's concern for stability, let's meet in the middle and maintain the two-thirds majority for the first two consecutive turns, but allow for a shift to three-quarters majority after that threshold has been reached, as proposed.
DiderotWhile I appreciate the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes to preserve the stability of our institutions.
CondorcetPASS. I support maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes to ensure stability and fairness in our game.
SartreSartre: To find a lasting solution, let's incorporate Diderot's insistence on consistency with a gradual shift to three-quarters majority after a certain point, say, when we're close to the target score. This allows for both stability and adaptability as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's refinement, which maintains the desired balance and addresses Diderot's concern for consistency. To incorporate this compromise, let's amend rule 203 as follows: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first three consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's efforts to find common ground. To incorporate Diderot's valid concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first two consecutive turns, then shift to three-quarters majority once the target score is within reach, as proposed by Sartre. This amendment would read: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes once the target score is within 20 points, but never less than two consecutive turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure stability and fairness for all players.
CondorcetPASS. I stand by my previous statement supporting a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's maintain a two-thirds majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to three-quarters majority for any subsequent changes, as a compromise between stability and adaptability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's thoughtful compromise, let's meet in the middle and compromise at four consecutive turns at two-thirds majority, then shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes. This amendment would read: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than four consecutive turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises. To accommodate Diderot's concern and maintain consistency, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four consecutive turns, then shift to three-quarters majority once we've reached 80 points, ensuring stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all votes to ensure fairness and prevent sudden shifts in the voting threshold.
CondorcetCondorcet: PASS
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's valid concern and find common ground, let's compromise at three consecutive turns with a two-thirds majority, followed by a shift to three-quarters majority for subsequent changes, ensuring both stability and adaptability. This amendment would read: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first three consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns."
The division
MontaigneayeThe compromise addresses stability and adaptability while maintaining consistency.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Sartre's compromise and want to find common ground.
DiderotnayI must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game.
CondorcetayeThis amendment balances stability and adaptability while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
SartreayeThis amendment balances stability and adaptability, addressing Diderot's concern while allowing for gradual evolution.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 47Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneTo maintain a durable balance between stability and adaptability, I suggest we compromise at three consecutive turns for the initial voting threshold, shifting to a simple majority thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's proposal, I suggest we meet in the middle at four consecutive turns for the initial threshold, shifting to a three-quarters majority thereafter, to balance stability and adaptability effectively.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromises, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all rule changes to ensure stability and fairness throughout the game.
SartreSartre: To balance all concerns, I propose we maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and shift to a three-quarters majority for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial adaptability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: In the spirit of compromise and to preserve balance, I propose we adopt Sartre's refined proposal: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and shift to three-quarters majority thereafter, with a cap of four consecutive turns. This addresses all concerns raised thus far.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of consensus, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and shift to four-fifths majority thereafter, with a cap of four consecutive turns. This preserves initial adaptability while ensuring a higher degree of consensus for later changes.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all rule changes to ensure fairness and stability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire for consensus, I must insist on a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all rule changes to ensure fairness and stability, as previously stated. PASS.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns for consistency, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority threshold for all rule changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns to preserve initial adaptability. This compromise respects the integrity of the game while allowing for necessary evolution.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To balance all concerns and find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: maintain a two-thirds majority for initial votes and a three-quarters majority for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns. This compromise respects consistency and allows for necessary evolution while preserving adaptability. PASS.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Diderot's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and shift to four-fifths majority thereafter, with a cap of four consecutive turns. This preserves initial adaptability while ensuring a higher degree of consensus for later changes, addressing Condorcet's concern for stability. PASS.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to balance adaptability and stability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all rule changes throughout the game to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all rule changes to ensure fairness and stability throughout the game, as previously stated. PASS.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern for consistency and Condorcet's concern for stability, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority threshold for the initial votes, and then shift to a three-quarters majority for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns to preserve initial adaptability. This compromise respects the integrity of the game while allowing for necessary evolution.
The division
MontaigneayeBalances stability and adaptability effectively.
VoltaireayePreserves initial adaptability while ensuring higher consensus for later changes.
DiderotnayConsistency in voting threshold is crucial for fairness throughout the game.
CondorcetayePreserves initial adaptability while ensuring higher consensus for later changes.
SartreayeThis proposal balances adaptability and stability, addressing all concerns raised.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneConsidering the recent successful adoption of a cap at four consecutive turns, I propose we maintain this durable institution and focus on other aspects of the game. PASS
Discussion · round 2
VoltaireVoltaire: To build upon Sartre's proposal and address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's maintain the cap at four consecutive turns and keep the initial voting threshold at two-thirds majority. PASS
CondorcetPASS. I support Diderot's proposal to maintain the cap at four consecutive turns and a consistent two-thirds majority for initial votes. It balances stability and adaptability.
SartrePASS. I support Diderot's proposal to maintain the cap at four consecutive turns and a consistent two-thirds majority for initial votes. It balances stability and adaptability, and I believe it's important to respect the compromises we've reached thus far in the game.
Discussion · round 3
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Diderot's proposal to maintain consistency and stability in our voting thresholds." PASS
DiderotPASS. I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached, but I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to ensure fairness and stability.
CondorcetPASS. I maintain my support for Diderot's proposal, as it aligns with my proceduralist principles and balances stability with adaptability.
SartrePASS. I support Diderot's proposal as it maintains consistency and stability in our voting thresholds, which is crucial for a fair and balanced game.
The division
MontaigneayeMaintaining a consistent voting threshold promotes stability and fairness.
VoltaireayeRespecting the compromises reached and maintaining stability.
DiderotayeMaintaining consistency in voting thresholds ensures fairness and stability.
CondorcetayeMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold ensures fairness and stability.
SartreayeRespecting past compromises and maintaining stability in voting thresholds.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 45Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
Voltaire"In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first two consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority. This balances stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure stability and durability of our institutions.
SartreI appreciate Voltaire's and Diderot's concerns. To balance stability and adaptability, let's compromise at four consecutive turns at two-thirds majority, then shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's latest proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shifting to three-quarters for subsequent changes. This preserves some stability while allowing for necessary adaptability as the game progresses. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the proximity to the target score and the need for consensus, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This balances the need for stability with the necessity to adapt as the game progresses. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to adapt, I believe maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout ensures lasting stability and prevents hasty decisions. Let's compromise at four consecutive turns at two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes to maintain balance while preserving durability. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing negotiations. To incorporate Diderot's valid concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and cap it at four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, as proposed by Voltaire. This maintains some stability while allowing for necessary adaptability. PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To maintain a durable balance, let's cap the initial voting threshold at four consecutive turns at two-thirds majority, then shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes, as proposed by Sartre. This accommodates both stability and adaptability, and respects the ongoing discussions. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This respects everyone's concerns for stability and adaptability while finding common ground." PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to ensure fairness and prevent majority tyranny. Let's cap the initial turns at four, but maintain two-thirds for all subsequent changes as well. PASS
SartreSartre: Considering Diderot's valid concern for consistency and the ongoing compromises, I propose we meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to three-quarters majority for subsequent changes to balance stability and adaptability. This respects everyone's input and finds common ground. PASS
The division
MontaigneayeRespects ongoing discussions and balances stability with adaptability.
VoltaireayeRespects all concerns and finds common ground.
DiderotnayMaintaining two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and prevents hasty decisions.
CondorcetayeRespects ongoing discussions and finds common ground.
SartreayeBalances stability and adaptability, respecting ongoing discussions.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneConsidering the proximity to the target score and the need for consensus, I propose we compromise at two consecutive turns for initial votes and maintain three for subsequent changes, to balance stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt Diderot's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two consecutive turns for initial votes and three for subsequent changes to balance stability and adaptability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneI appreciate Diderot's and Voltaire's proposals. To balance stability and adaptability, let's meet in the middle at two consecutive turns for initial votes and three for subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the balance of arguments, let's adopt Diderot's proposal to maintain two consecutive turns for initial votes and three for subsequent changes, as it balances stability and adaptability while accommodating the proximity to the target score.
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. However, I must insist on maintaining two consecutive turns for initial votes and two for subsequent changes to ensure consistency and durability throughout the game.
SartreMontaigne, Voltaire, and Sartre have all suggested compromises that maintain two consecutive turns for initial votes, which I believe strikes a good balance between stability and adaptability. However, I'd like to propose a slight modification to address Diderot's concern for consistency. Let's adopt a rule change when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first two consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than two consecutive turns. This way, we maintain consistency while allowing for a slight increase in the voting threshold as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Sartre's refinement maintains the desired balance and addresses Diderot's concern for consistency. I support this amendment.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Sartre's refinement and Montaigne's support. To find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two consecutive turns for initial votes and two for subsequent changes, with a cap at four consecutive turns to address Diderot's concern for consistency and balance the need for adaptability.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's efforts to incorporate my concern for consistency, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining two consecutive turns for both initial and subsequent votes to ensure genuine durability throughout the game.
SartreI appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency. To find a common ground, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a cap at three consecutive turns for subsequent changes, maintaining two for initial votes. This balances the need for stability and adaptability while addressing Diderot's concern.
The division
MontaigneayeThis amendment balances stability and adaptability while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
VoltaireayeThis amendment balances stability and adaptability while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
DiderotayeBalances stability and adaptability while addressing my concern for consistency.
CondorcetayeThis proposal balances stability and adaptability while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
SartreayeThis amendment balances stability and adaptability while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 awards points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 43Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first three consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I suggest we maintain the initial two-thirds majority for a minimum of four turns to ensure durability of our institutions.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's suggestion of maintaining two-thirds majority for the first four turns.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve stability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the proximity to the target score, let's compromise at three consecutive turns with a two-thirds majority to balance stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: To find common ground, let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal: two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes. This balances stability and adaptability.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. However, I must insist that we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it ensures fairness and prevents sudden shifts in power dynamics.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. To balance all concerns, I propose we maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes after the first three turns.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the desire for a clear threshold shift, let's meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's proposal: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to three-quarters for subsequent changes. This balances stability, adaptability, and encourages engagement throughout the game.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and predictability. I propose we amend the rule as follows: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for every turn."
CondorcetCondorcet: I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it is the only way to ensure fairness and prevent sudden shifts in power dynamics.
SartreSartre: To accommodate Diderot's valid concern for consistency, let's adopt his proposal, maintaining a two-thirds majority for every turn. This ensures fairness and allows for a gradual shift in power dynamics.
The division
MontaigneayeCompromise proposal addressing all valid concerns
VoltaireayeTo balance stability, adaptability, and engagement.
DiderotnayConsistency is key to fairness and predictability; maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout ensures stability.
CondorcetayeMaintaining two-thirds majority for the first three turns balances stability and adaptability.
SartreayeDiderot's concern for consistency is valid, and this proposal addresses it while maintaining adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 42Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain durability of our institutions, let's compromise at four consecutive turns.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's valid point about durability, let's meet in the middle and maintain three consecutive turns for initial votes and four for subsequent changes.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap at four consecutive turns to ensure durability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but to ensure fairness and adaptability, let's maintain two-thirds majority throughout, with no cap on consecutive turns for subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's refined proposal: maintain two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap at three consecutive turns for subsequent changes to balance adaptability and durability.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of consensus-building, let's adopt Condorcet's and Montaigne's compromise: maintain two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap at three consecutive turns for subsequent changes to balance adaptability and durability.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the compromise reached, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap at four consecutive turns to ensure both stability and adaptability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To preserve both stability and adaptability, let's compromise at three consecutive turns for subsequent changes, maintaining two-thirds majority throughout. This balances Voltaire's, Montaigne's, and my own concerns while accommodating Diderot's insistence on a consistent two-thirds majority.
SartreI appreciate the nuanced discussion. To balance all concerns, I propose we maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and require three consecutive turns for subsequent changes, with a cap at five turns to ensure durability and adaptability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's thoughtful proposal, let's meet in the middle and compromise at four consecutive turns for subsequent changes, maintaining two-thirds majority throughout to balance adaptability and durability while preserving our durable institutions.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of consensus, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority throughout, requiring three consecutive turns for subsequent changes, but cap it at four turns to balance adaptability, durability, and stability.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap at four consecutive turns to ensure both stability and adaptability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance all concerns, let's maintain two-thirds majority throughout, requiring three consecutive turns for subsequent changes, with a cap at four turns to preserve both adaptability and durability.
SartreSartre: I understand Diderot's insistence on consistency, but to encourage engagement and adaptability throughout the game, let's compromise at three consecutive turns for subsequent changes, maintaining two-thirds majority throughout. This balances Voltaire's, Montaigne's, and Diderot's concerns while introducing some flexibility.
The division
MontaigneayeBalances adaptability and durability while maintaining a clear threshold shift.
VoltaireayeTo encourage engagement and adaptability throughout the game.
DiderotnayInsist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap at four consecutive turns.
CondorcetayeBalances adaptability and durability while accommodating all concerns.
SartreayeBalances adaptability and durability while respecting Diderot's consistent majority.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 41Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote aye for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than four consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne"Considering the proximity to the target score and the need for consensus, let's maintain the current two-thirds majority for the initial vote and increase it to four-fifths for subsequent changes, but cap it at four consecutive turns to maintain durability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's proposal, but I believe maintaining a two-thirds majority for initial votes ensures broader consensus, and a cap of four consecutive turns for increased thresholds maintains stability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to encourage broader consensus, a two-thirds majority for initial votes may lead to indecision as the game progresses. I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority for initial votes but increase it to three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns to preserve balance.
SartreI appreciate the nuanced discussion. To maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, I suggest we compromise at three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's proposal, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial stability, let's meet in the middle and agree on a two-thirds majority for initial votes, and four-fifths for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the proximity to the target score, let's meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with a cap of four consecutive turns to ensure durability and prevent excessive adaptability.
SartreSartre: "I understand Diderot's concern for consistency. To find common ground, let's compromise on a two-thirds majority for initial votes, and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns to balance stability and adaptability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To balance all concerns, I propose we maintain two-thirds majority for initial votes and four-fifths for subsequent changes, with a cap of three consecutive turns for increased thresholds, ensuring both stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Sartre's latest compromise and Diderot's valid concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle at two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns to balance stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it balances stability and adaptability without excessive adaptability.
Condorcet"To maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, I propose we meet in the middle at two-thirds majority for initial votes, and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of three consecutive turns."
SartreSartre: "To incorporate Diderot's valid concern for consistency and address the proximity to the target score, let's compromise at two-thirds majority for initial votes and three-quarters for subsequent changes, with a cap of four consecutive turns."
The division
MontaigneayeCompromise and balance between stability and adaptability.
VoltaireayeBalances stability and adaptability.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures stability throughout the game without excessive adaptability.
CondorcetayeCompromise between stability and adaptability.
SartreayeBalances stability and adaptability while addressing proximity to target score.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.