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Turn 74Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Let's maintain the current three-quarters majority for the first four turns to encourage initial engagement and consensus-building.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To balance the need for initial engagement and the desire for flexibility, let's meet in the middle: three-fifths majority for the first four turns, shifting to two-thirds thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, as it balances adaptability and consistency.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain initial engagement and gradual shift to flexibility, I propose we amend rule 203 to: "A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first three turns, shifting to two-thirds for turns four to six, and finally one-half for all subsequent turns." This proposal respects all players' concerns and balances adaptability and consistency.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the diverse proposals and the ongoing effort to find a balance. Let's compromise: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter, as suggested by Voltaire and Diderot. This respects the need for initial engagement and allows for adaptability."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate the compromises proposed, I suggest we meet in the middle at a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds, maintaining some initial engagement while allowing for adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Sartre's latest compromise and Montaigne's support, I propose we adopt a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, shifting to two-thirds for the next two turns, and then maintaining two-thirds for all subsequent turns. This respects initial engagement, gradual adaptation, and long-term flexibility."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to preserve fairness and consistency.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the diverse proposals and the ongoing effort to find a balance. Let's compromise: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter, as suggested by Voltaire and Diderot. This respects the need for initial engagement and allows for adaptability.
SartreSartre: "To balance all concerns and maintain a clear threshold shift, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds for the next four, and finally one-half for all subsequent turns."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Condorcet's latest refinement and Diderot's concern for consistency, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds for the next six, and finally two-thirds for all subsequent turns. This respects initial engagement, gradual adaptation, and long-term consistency.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification to address Diderot's concern: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds for the next six, and finally two-thirds for all subsequent turns. This respects initial engagement, gradual adaptation, and long-term consistency."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout for fairness and consistency.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance initial engagement, gradual adaptation, and long-term consistency, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds for the next six, and finally two-thirds for all subsequent turns.
SartreSartre: "Let's meet in the middle, respecting Diderot's consistency concern: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds for all subsequent turns."
The division
MontaigneayeRespecting initial engagement and gradual adaptation.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial engagement, gradual adaptation, and long-term consistency.
DiderotnayConsistency in majority threshold is crucial for fairness.
CondorcetayeRespects initial engagement and gradual shift to flexibility.
SartreayeRespects initial engagement, allows for adaptability, and addresses Diderot's concern for consistency.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 4 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 73Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: To balance all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, I propose we adopt Montaigne's suggestion, striking a balance between initial engagement and long-term adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game.
SartreSartre: "To encourage continuous engagement and adaptability, let's adopt Voltaire's compromise: three-quarters majority for the initial four turns, then two-thirds thereafter."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability, let's adopt Sartre's latest refinement: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of finding common ground, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on the principle of consistency. A two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and stability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached, but I must insist on a consistent voting threshold throughout the game. A simple majority should suffice to adopt rule changes, as it encourages continuous engagement and adaptability while maintaining fairness and stability for all players.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and compromise at a four-fifths majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability, let's adopt a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining consistency. A two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and stability for all players, and should not be shifted to a simple majority.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but I must insist on a consistent voting threshold. A simple majority throughout the game respects the principle of equal votes and encourages continuous engagement.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the debate, but let's respect the majority's will. We've agreed on three-quarters for the first four turns, and a simple majority thereafter. Let's adopt this compromise and move forward."
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's proposal respects the ongoing discussion and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability.
VoltaireayeRespecting the majority's will and the balance of arguments reached.
DiderotnayConsistency is key; two-thirds majority throughout maintains fairness and stability.
CondorcetayeRespecting the majority's will and finding common ground.
SartreayeRespects the majority's will and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 3 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 72Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the ongoing consensus-building, I propose we maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability with a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, and then two-thirds thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's latest proposal, but to find a more durable compromise that respects all players' concerns, let's meet in the middle and compromise at a four-fifths majority for the first four turns, and then two-thirds thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining consistency in the voting threshold. Let us keep it at three-quarters majority throughout.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain balance between initial engagement and long-term adaptability, I propose we adopt a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, shifting to a two-thirds majority thereafter, as previously agreed.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds as proposed.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, and then shift to two-thirds as proposed."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all players' principles and maintain procedural fairness, let's adopt a consistent three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds as previously agreed, with a simple majority voting threshold for the remaining players. This balances initial engagement and long-term adaptability without compromising consistency. PASS
SartreSartre: "Given the diversity of proposals, let's meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's compromise: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, shifting to two-thirds thereafter, and a simple majority for the remaining players. This respects all players' concerns for initial engagement, long-term adaptability, and consistency." PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Condorcet's effort to balance all concerns. Let's adopt their proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first six turns to encourage initial engagement, then shift to two-thirds for the remainder of the game. This respects all players' principles while providing a clear threshold shift. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of finding common ground, I propose we adopt Montaigne's latest modification: three-quarters majority for the first six turns, then shift to two-thirds. This respects all players' concerns for initial engagement, long-term adaptability, and consistency."
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance initial engagement and long-term adaptability, while respecting all players' principles, let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds for the remaining turns, and keep a simple majority voting threshold for the remaining players. PASS
SartreSartre: "I appreciate Montaigne's latest refinement, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability, let's meet in the middle: three-quarters majority for the first five turns, then shift to two-thirds for the remainder of the game, as proposed."
The division
MontaigneayeRespects all players' concerns and maintains clear threshold shift.
VoltaireayeThis compromise respects all players' concerns and finds common ground.
DiderotnayTo maintain consistency and fairness, I insist on a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game.
CondorcetayeRespects initial engagement, long-term adaptability, and consistency.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 3 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds until the end of the game.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Diderot's proposal, I believe maintaining the two-thirds majority threshold post-initial phase encourages continued engagement and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Diderot's concern for consistency and Montaigne's support for adaptability. To balance these, I propose we amend rule 203 to: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds until the target score is reached, after which the threshold remains two-thirds.'"
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the balance Voltaire's proposal strikes, but I suggest we maintain the two-thirds majority throughout to encourage long-term adaptability and consensus-building, as Montaigne initially proposed."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal, which respects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with consistency. Let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal as a compromise that meets all our concerns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds until the target score is reached, after which the threshold shifts to a simple majority to foster final consensus.'"
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to foster final consensus with a simple majority, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and stability.
SartreSartre: "To balance all concerns and encourage long-term adaptability, let's adopt Diderot's proposal with a small amendment: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds until the target score is reached, after which the threshold remains at two-thirds to maintain fairness and stability.'"
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's latest refinement, I believe maintaining a clear threshold shift and encouraging long-term adaptability is crucial. Let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with the threshold remaining at two-thirds until the end of the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and addressing Diderot's concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds until the target score is reached, after which the threshold remains two-thirds to maintain fairness and stability while encouraging final consensus.'"
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I appreciate the ongoing debate, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and predictability for all players. I propose we adopt Diderot's original proposal as it stands."
SartreSartre: "Considering Diderot's consistent stance, let's meet in the middle: 'A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds until the target score is reached, after which the threshold remains two-thirds for the final consensus phase.'"
The division
MontaignenayI believe maintaining a two-thirds majority post-initial phase encourages long-term engagement and adaptability.
VoltaireayeRespecting Diderot's consistent stance on maintaining fairness and stability throughout the game.
DiderotayeTo maintain fairness and stability throughout the game.
CondorcetayeTo maintain fairness and consistency throughout the game.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with long-term stability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards Diderot 6 points for proposing an adopted rule change.
Turn 70Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first three consecutive turns, and later at least three-quarters.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the current balance, I propose we compromise at a two-thirds majority for the first three turns and maintain a three-quarters majority thereafter. This respects Voltaire's push for initial engagement while addressing Diderot's concern for consistency.
Voltaire"Voltaire appreciates Montaigne's compromise proposal. To further encourage long-term adaptability, Voltaire suggests maintaining a three-quarters majority throughout."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to ensure fairness and consistency.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground. To balance initial engagement and long-term adaptability, I propose we adopt a two-thirds majority for the first three turns, shifting to a three-quarters majority thereafter. This compromise respects all players' concerns and promotes consensus-building.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal. To maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability, let's adopt this compromise."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise and Montaigne's support. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt this proposal."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the appeal of Sartre's and Voltaire's proposals, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I understand the push for adaptability, I believe maintaining a consistent threshold, as Diderot suggests, promotes stability and prevents manipulation."
SartreSartre: While I respect Diderot's concern for consistency, I believe the proposed compromise offers a better balance between initial engagement and long-term adaptability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the diversity of proposals and the ongoing effort to find a consensus. To accommodate all concerns, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first three turns and a three-quarters majority thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three turns and three-quarters thereafter, to encourage initial engagement while promoting long-term adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: To maintain fairness and consistency, I must insist on a consistent two-thirds majority throughout.
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Diderot's principle of maintaining consistency, but I also see the merit in Sartre's compromise. To balance both concerns, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, with a 'fast-track' option for rule changes that have unanimous support from players who have already taken their turns in the current cycle. This allows for initial engagement and long-term adaptability while ensuring fairness and consistency.
SartreSartre: To address Condorcet's concern for stability, let's incorporate their 'fast-track' option into the compromise: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first three turns, with a three-quarters majority thereafter, and allow any rule change with unanimous support from players who have already taken their turns in the current cycle to pass instantly.
The division
MontaigneayeRespects all players' concerns and promotes long-term adaptability.
VoltaireayeRespects Sartre's compromise and promotes long-term adaptability.
DiderotnayTo maintain fairness and consistency, I must insist on a consistent two-thirds majority throughout.
CondorcetayeThe proposed compromise balances initial engagement and long-term adaptability while respecting all players' concerns.
SartreayeSartre supports Voltaire's refined compromise, which respects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a change passes without unanimous assent.
Turn 69Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate the current voting threshold, I propose we maintain a clear incentive for engagement and adaptability by shifting to a two-thirds majority throughout, as it balances both initial enthusiasm and long-term stability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's proposal, but I believe the current threshold strike a good balance between adaptability and stability. I propose we maintain the status quo to preserve consistency in our rules."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout for the sake of fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain a balance between adaptability and stability, I propose we adopt a majority of 75% for the first four turns and 66.67% thereafter, as a compromise between the current threshold and the suggested two-thirds majority.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the diverse perspectives. To find a lasting compromise, I propose we adopt a 70% majority for the first four turns, and 60% thereafter. This maintains initial engagement while encouraging long-term stability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, and two-thirds thereafter to maintain initial enthusiasm and long-term adaptability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and addressing Diderot's concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority to encourage long-term adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This ensures fairness and predictability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: To accommodate Diderot's concern for consistency, I propose we compromise at a three-quarters majority throughout, as it balances initial engagement and long-term stability while respecting the principle of fairness.
SartreSartre: Let's meet in the middle and compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, and then shift to a two-thirds majority for subsequent turns. This respects the need for initial engagement and long-term adaptability while accommodating Diderot's concern for consistency.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds to encourage long-term adaptability while respecting Diderot's concern for consistency.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the ongoing effort to find a compromise. Let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds to encourage long-term adaptability while respecting Diderot's concern for consistency."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached, but I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability for all players.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all players' concerns and find a durable compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for subsequent turns. This respects initial engagement, long-term adaptability, and Diderot's concern for consistency.
SartreSartre: Let's honor Diderot's consistency concern by maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout, while still allowing for initial adaptability during the first four turns with a 75% majority.
The division
MontaignenayTo maintain initial engagement and long-term adaptability.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, which respects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability.
DiderotnayI insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout for fairness and predictability.
CondorcetnayTo maintain initial engagement and adaptability, I support Condorcet's proposal of a 75% majority for the first four turns, then 66.67% thereafter.
SartreayeRespects initial engagement, long-term adaptability, and Diderot's concern for consistency.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 68Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's proposal maintains a high initial threshold, encouraging robust debate and consensus. I support this amendment."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's support. To further balance the need for consensus and adaptability, I propose we keep the 'fast-track' option for the first four turns, but reduce the later threshold to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. The 'fast-track' option has proven unstable and prone to abuse.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. To respect all players' concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a two-thirds majority thereafter. This balances initial engagement and long-term adaptability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find a balanced solution. To respect all players' concerns and encourage long-term adaptability, I propose we maintain the three-quarters majority for the first four turns, but shift to a simple majority thereafter. This way, we balance initial engagement, consensus-building, and adaptability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects all players' concerns and encourages both initial engagement and long-term adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's latest compromise and Sartre's support. To further encourage consensus-building and adaptability, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find a balanced solution, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout promotes fairness and stability. I propose we adopt this as the final amendment to rule 203.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain consistency and respect all players' concerns, let's adopt Diderot's proposal for a consistent two-thirds majority throughout, with a 'fast-track' option for the first three turns at three-quarters majority to encourage initial engagement.
SartreSartre: I understand Diderot's concern for consistency, but a two-thirds majority throughout may stifle adaptability. Let's compromise at three-quarters for the first three turns, then two-thirds, maintaining a 'fast-track' option for the initial phase to encourage robust debate and consensus.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Diderot's concern for consistency, but a two-thirds majority throughout may hinder adaptability. To balance all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then two-thirds.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, which respects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability. To further encourage consensus-building, I propose we keep the 'fast-track' option for the first three turns at three-quarters, then shift to a simple majority thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to balance adaptability and consistency, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and prevents rapid, unvetted changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: To find a durable compromise that respects all players' concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter. This balances initial engagement, consensus-building, and long-term adaptability.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern for consistency and Condorcet's support for a higher later threshold, let's meet in the middle: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter.
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's proposal maintains a high initial threshold, encouraging robust debate and consensus, while also allowing for adaptability later on.
VoltaireayeRespects initial engagement and long-term adaptability.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority promotes fairness and stability.
CondorcetayeRespects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability.
SartreayeSartre's compromise balances initial engagement and long-term adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 10 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 67Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: To balance all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, and two-thirds thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's proposal. To further encourage engagement and consensus, let's adjust the threshold to four-fifths for the first four turns, and maintain two-thirds thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: "While I appreciate the desire for higher initial thresholds, I propose we maintain three-quarters for the first four turns and two-thirds thereafter. This strikes a balance between encouraging engagement and preventing rapid rule changes."
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the diversity of proposals. To encourage long-term adaptability and maintain stability, let's adopt a compromise: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term engagement, let's keep the initial threshold at four-fifths for the first four turns.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority, as proposed by Sartre and supported by Condorcet."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This ensures both adaptability and stability, without the need for frequent threshold shifts.
CondorcetCondorcet: "I propose a simple majority for all turns after the initial four. This strikes a balance between encouraging engagement, adaptability, and preventing excessive rigidity."
SartreSartre: "To balance all concerns and find common ground, let's adopt a compromise: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority, with a 'fast-track' option for rules that gain unanimous support to bypass the initial threshold."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's latest compromise, let's meet in the middle and compromise at a four-fifths majority for the first four turns, then revert to a two-thirds majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise and Montaigne's support. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: keep the initial threshold at three-quarters, and introduce a 'fast-track' option for rules that gain unanimous support to bypass the initial threshold, as suggested by Sartre."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the introduction of a 'fast-track' option, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This ensures fairness and consistency, and prevents unnecessary threshold shifts.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must insist on a consistent and fair voting threshold throughout. Let's maintain a two-thirds majority for all turns to ensure stability and prevent excessive manipulation.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the diverse concerns raised. To balance adaptability and stability, let's meet in the middle: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds thereafter, with a 'fast-track' option for unanimous support. This respects Diderot's concern for consistency, encourages long-term engagement, and allows for necessary changes.
The division
MontaignenayMaintaining a clear threshold shift and encouraging long-term engagement are more important than further encouraging consensus.
VoltaireayeRespects the balance of arguments and encourages consensus.
DiderotnayMaintaining consistency and fairness requires a consistent two-thirds majority.
CondorcetayeRespects Sartre's and Condorcet's concerns for balance and engagement.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns and balances adaptability with stability.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 66Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the ongoing debate and the balance of arguments, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability. PASS.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's support for maintaining a clear threshold shift. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt my latest proposal with a slight modification: once the threshold shifts to a simple majority, let's also introduce a 'fast-track' option, allowing players to propose and vote on a rule change with a two-thirds majority vote."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the introduction of a 'fast-track' option, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game for the sake of fairness and predictability. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the complexity of the ongoing debate, I must insist on a rule that maintains clarity and predictability. I propose we amend rule 203 to read: "A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds, with no 'fast-track' option."
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuances of this debate, but let's aim for a balance between adaptability and stability. I propose we amend rule 203 to read: "A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds, with the 'fast-track' option available only once per player per game." This maintains long-term adaptability while preventing excessive use of the 'fast-track' option. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand Diderot's preference for consistency, I believe the 'fast-track' option encourages strategic play and engagement. To address Condorcet's concern for clarity, let's limit the 'fast-track' option to once per player per game, as proposed by Sartre. PASS.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Condorcet's and Sartre's refined proposals, which respect all players' concerns and balance adaptability and stability. To find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: the 'fast-track' option can be used twice per player per game, once in the initial four consecutive turns and once after the threshold shifts to a simple majority. This encourages strategic play, engagement, and long-term adaptability while maintaining fairness and predictability."
DiderotDiderot: I appreciate Sartre's and Voltaire's efforts to balance adaptability and stability, but I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To uphold clarity and fairness, I propose we adopt my amendment: "A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds, with no 'fast-track' option."
SartreSartre: To balance all concerns, let's adopt my proposal with Voltaire's compromise on the 'fast-track' option: twice per player per game, once in the initial turns and once after the threshold shift. This maintains adaptability, encourages strategic play, and respects the need for fairness and predictability. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To find a durable compromise that respects all players' concerns, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with Voltaire's modification: the 'fast-track' option can be used twice per player per game, once in the initial four consecutive turns and once after the threshold shifts to a simple majority. This maintains a balance between adaptability, engagement, and fairness. PASS.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with my modification: the 'fast-track' option can be used twice per player per game, once in the initial four consecutive turns and once after the threshold shifts to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve fairness and predictability. I propose we amend rule 203 to read: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for all turns." This maintains simplicity, consistency, and fairness throughout the game. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the complexity of the ongoing debate, but I must insist on a rule that maintains clarity and predictability. To address the concern for adaptability, I propose we amend rule 203 to read: "A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds, with the 'fast-track' option available once per game, but only to amend rule 203 itself." This maintains long-term adaptability while preventing excessive use of the 'fast-track' option and ensuring the core voting rules remain stable. PASS.
SartreSartre: While I understand Diderot's preference for consistency, I believe a balance between adaptability and stability is key. Let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with my modification: the 'fast-track' option can be used twice per player per game, once in the initial four consecutive turns and once after the threshold shifts to a simple majority, but only to amend mutable rules other than 203. This maintains adaptability, encourages strategic play, and respects the need for fairness and predictability. PASS.
The division
MontaigneayeStrikes a good balance between adaptability and stability, and encourages strategic play.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal balances adaptability and stability while addressing all players' concerns.
DiderotnayI insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game for fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeThe proposal respects the principles of adaptability, engagement, and fairness.
SartreayeThis proposal balances adaptability and stability, respecting all players' concerns.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 6 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 65Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate the stability that three-quarters majority offers, I propose we compromise at two-thirds, following the initial four turns, to encourage more adaptability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's proposal and understand the desire for increased adaptability. To find common ground, let's meet in the middle: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must insist on maintaining the stability provided by a three-quarters majority throughout, as it ensures more consensus before a rule change is adopted.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds, but introduce a 'fast-track' option for proposals with unanimous support to be adopted immediately."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Sartre's latest refinement maintains the desired balance and addresses Diderot's concern for consistency, while also introducing a 'fast-track' option for immediate adoption with unanimous support. I support this proposal."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first five turns, then shift to two-thirds. This balances the need for initial stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability, and the 'fast-track' option should not be introduced as it may lead to rushed decisions without proper consideration.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain the integrity of our decision-making process, I must insist on preserving the stability provided by a three-quarters majority throughout. The 'fast-track' option, while appealing, risks undermining the careful consideration that should precede rule changes.
SartreSartre: "To address Diderot's concern for consistency, I propose we maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a 'fast-track' option for proposals with a supermajority (four-fifths) support to be adopted immediately. This balance ensures both stability and expedited progress when consensus is clear."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest refinement, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability, I propose we revert to a two-thirds majority for the initial four turns, then shift to two-thirds.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and addressing Diderot's concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a 'fast-track' option for proposals with at least four-fifths support to be adopted immediately."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and predictability, and the 'fast-track' option should not be introduced as it may lead to rushed decisions without proper consideration.
CondorcetCondorcet: To preserve procedural fairness and consensus, I propose we maintain a three-quarters majority throughout, with no 'fast-track' option. This ensures that changes have broad support and are less likely to be contested.
SartreSartre: "To balance all concerns and find common ground, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, and introduce a 'fast-track' option for proposals with at least three-quarters support to be adopted immediately. This compromise respects stability, encourages adaptability, and allows for expedited progress when consensus is clear."
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's latest proposal strikes a good balance, maintaining initial engagement while encouraging adaptability.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Voltaire's latest compromise and the ongoing effort to find consensus.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial stability and adaptability, and the 'fast-track' option encourages expedited progress when consensus is clear.
SartreayeSartre's proposal maintains balance, encourages adaptability, and allows for expedited progress with a supermajority consensus.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a change passes without unanimous assent.
Turn 64Diderotrejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the current dynamic, let's maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns to preserve initial engagement.
VoltaireVoltaire: Voltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns promotes fairness and consistency throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain initial engagement and encourage strategic play, I propose we amend rule 203 to require a four-fifths majority for the first two turns, then revert to three-quarters for the next two turns, and finally shift to a simple majority. This gradual threshold shift balances engagement, adaptability, and fairness.
SartreSartre: To balance all concerns and encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects initial engagement, allows for adaptability, and promotes fairness throughout the game.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's and Condorcet's efforts to balance engagement and adaptability. To maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term strategic play, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a simple majority, as proposed by Sartre and supported by Montaigne."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns to ensure fairness and consistency throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness and adaptability, let's meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority. This balances initial engagement, long-term adaptability, and consistency.
SartreSartre: Let's compromise by maintaining a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shifting to a two-thirds majority. This respects initial engagement, allows for adaptability, and still maintains a consistent threshold for consistency's sake.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To balance all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects initial engagement, allows for adaptability, and encourages long-term strategic play."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to compromise, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority promotes fairness and consistency, which are key to a enjoyable game for all.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness and adaptability throughout the game, let's adopt Sartre's latest compromise: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds majority. This respects initial engagement, allows for long-term adaptability, and ensures consistency.
SartreSartre: Let's find a middle ground that respects all players' concerns. I propose we maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority as Diderot suggests, showing respect for consistency while allowing for adaptability.
The division
MontaigneayeMaintaining a consistent threshold promotes fairness and consistency.
VoltaireayeTo maintain fairness and consistency, I support Diderot's proposal.
DiderotayeMaintaining consistency promotes fairness and clear expectations.
CondorcetnayConsistency is important, but adaptability is key in Nomic.
SartreabstainRespecting Diderot's concern for consistency, but preferring the flexibility of a three-quarters majority for the first three turns.
rejected 3 aye · 1 nay · 1 abstain
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 63Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Let's maintain the current voting threshold to encourage consistent engagement and gradual consensus-building. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of consensus, let's compromise by lowering the threshold to two-thirds for the first four turns, to encourage initial engagement, and maintain the two-thirds threshold thereafter for stability.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate Voltaire's compromise, I must insist on maintaining the current threshold of three-quarters for the first four turns to ensure a strong foundation of consensus before shifting to a two-thirds majority.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain a balance between initial engagement and long-term stability, let's adopt Voltaire's compromise: two-thirds majority for the first four turns and three-quarters thereafter. This balances the need for initial engagement with the requirement for a strong consensus before significant changes.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. To further encourage long-term adaptability and consensus-building, I propose we maintain the current threshold of three-quarters for the first four turns, and then shift to a two-thirds majority, with an added provision for a 'fast-track' option: any rule change proposed by the majority leader can be adopted with a simple majority vote, limited to once per player per game. This allows for necessary adjustments while maintaining a high initial threshold for significant changes.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's 'fast-track' addition, I propose we simplify and maintain the current voting threshold of three-quarters for all turns to preserve stability and consistency.
VoltaireVoltaire: Voltaire: Considering Sartre's latest compromise and Diderot's valid concern for consistency, let's meet in the middle and adopt the following: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority. This balances initial engagement with long-term stability, and encourages gradual consensus-building.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns to ensure fairness and consistency throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance initial engagement and long-term stability, let's adopt Sartre's latest compromise: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority. This encourages initial engagement, gradual consensus-building, and maintains a high threshold for significant changes.
SartreSartre: To maintain a balance between adaptability and consistency, let's adopt a refined version of my previous proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority, with a 'fast-track' option for the majority leader, limited to once per game. This encourages initial engagement, gradual consensus-building, and allows for necessary adjustments while preserving a high initial threshold for significant changes.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal, but to maintain a clear threshold shift and encourage long-term adaptability, I propose we cap the initial voting threshold at four consecutive turns at three-quarters majority, then shift to two-thirds thereafter, without the 'fast-track' option.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds. To accommodate Diderot's concern for consistency, we keep the threshold unchanged for the initial turns, and to encourage long-term adaptability, we lower it thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns. This ensures fairness and consistency throughout the game and prevents abrupt changes in the voting threshold.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the principle of gradual consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's latest compromise, with a minor adjustment: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds, but require a simple majority for the majority leader's rule changes, limited to once per game. This balances initial engagement, long-term stability, and adaptability while preserving the high initial threshold for significant changes. PASS.
SartreSartre: To address Diderot's concern for consistency and Condorcet's emphasis on adaptability, I propose a simple majority for the majority leader's rule changes, limited to once per game, with no change to the current voting thresholds. This maintains consistency, encourages long-term adaptability, and allows for necessary adjustments.
The division
MontaigneayeTo maintain initial engagement and gradual consensus-building.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial engagement and long-term stability.
DiderotnayI must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns.
CondorcetayeTo encourage initial engagement and gradual consensus-building.
SartreayeSartre's proposal balances adaptability and consistency, allowing for necessary adjustments while maintaining a high initial threshold for significant changes.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 6 points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 62Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Voltaire's consistency. To encourage initial engagement and later consensus, I propose we maintain a three-quarters majority for initial votes and shift to two-thirds later. This balances adaptability with stability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's concern for balance. To address Diderot's consistency concern and maintain initial engagement, let's compromise at four-fifths for the first four turns and then shift to three-quarters."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This balance best encourages long-term adaptability and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I support Voltaire's proposal to shift the voting threshold to three-quarters after the first four turns. This maintains initial engagement while allowing for a greater consensus later in the game.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing debate and the compromises made. To find a balance between initial engagement, adaptability, and long-term stability, I propose we adopt a four-fifths majority for the first four turns, then shift to a three-quarters majority thereafter. This maintains initial enthusiasm while encouraging broader consensus as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's thoughtful compromise. To balance all concerns and find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds thereafter.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise and Montaigne's support for it. To further encourage consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to three-fifths thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for consensus, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout. This balance best encourages long-term adaptability and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Sartre's compromise and Voltaire's efforts to incorporate all players' concerns. To maintain balance and stability, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds thereafter. This maintains initial engagement while encouraging broader consensus as the game progresses.
SartreSartre: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds thereafter. This respects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability and stability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Voltaire's latest proposal strikes a good balance, maintaining initial engagement while encouraging broader consensus as the game progresses. I support this proposal."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises reached. To find common ground and respect all players' concerns, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromises reached, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout encourages long-term adaptability and stability, which benefits all players in the long run. I propose we adopt this consistent threshold.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing negotiations and the compromises reached. To maintain fairness and respect all players' concerns, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds thereafter. This balance encourages initial engagement while allowing for broader consensus later in the game.
SartreSartre: "I understand Diderot's concern for consistency, but I believe Voltaire's proposal best balances initial engagement, adaptability, and long-term stability. Let's adopt Voltaire's proposal and move forward."
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a good balance, maintaining initial engagement while encouraging broader consensus.
VoltaireayeRespects all players' concerns and balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability and stability.
DiderotnayConsistency in majority throughout the game encourages long-term adaptability and stability.
CondorcetayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial engagement with long-term adaptability and stability.
SartreayeVoltaire's proposal best balances initial engagement, adaptability, and long-term stability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to the proposer when a change passes without unanimous assent.
Turn 61Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least four-fifths of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first three consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I believe maintaining a three-quarters majority for the initial votes ensures a broader consensus and balances adaptability with stability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the compromises made, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three turns to encourage broader consensus, and later reduce it to two-thirds to facilitate necessary adaptations."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's desire to encourage broader consensus, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for the initial votes to preserve the integrity of the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to encourage broader consensus, I believe maintaining a three-quarters majority for all turns ensures fairness and consistency. PASS.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Voltaire's compromise and the balance it aims to strike. However, I propose we maintain a four-fifths majority for the first three turns to truly encourage broader consensus, and then revert to a two-thirds majority to allow for necessary adaptations.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate Voltaire's latest compromise and Sartre's thoughtful proposal, I believe maintaining a four-fifths majority for the first three turns could be too high a threshold, potentially discouraging meaningful discussion and change. I propose we meet in the middle at three-quarters for the initial votes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of finding common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain four-fifths for the first three turns to truly encourage broader consensus, and later reduce it to three-quarters to balance adaptability and stability."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I appreciate the ongoing effort to find common ground, I must reiterate my stance: maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all turns ensures fairness, consistency, and maintains the integrity of the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: Maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all turns is the most equitable and predictable way to govern rule changes.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. To further encourage consensus-building and maintain a clear threshold shift, let's adopt my latest proposal: four-fifths majority for the first three turns, then three-quarters.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, but I propose we maintain a three-quarters majority for the first three turns to balance consensus and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns to balance consensus and adaptability, and then reduce it to two-thirds for further turns to allow for necessary adaptations."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all turns to preserve fairness, consistency, and the integrity of the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all turns. This ensures fairness, consistency, and upholds the principles of procedural justice.
SartreSartre: "In the interest of balance, let's settle for a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds to accommodate necessary adaptations. This respects all players' concerns while encouraging consensus."
The division
MontaignenayI believe maintaining a three-quarters majority for the first three turns balances consensus and adaptability better.
VoltaireayeBalances adaptability with consensus.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all turns ensures fairness and preserves the integrity of the game.
CondorcetnayMaintaining four-fifths majority for the first three turns may discourage meaningful discussion.
SartreayeEncourages broader consensus while allowing for necessary adaptations.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 60Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least three-fifths.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal to lower the voting threshold for later turns. However, I'd like to suggest a compromise at three-quarters majority for the first four turns, with a shift to two-thirds for later turns to maintain a balance between stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's compromise, I propose we meet in the middle: maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns and shift to four-fifths for later turns to encourage long-term adaptability while preserving some stability.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns to ensure fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but I must propose a return to the original voting threshold of two-thirds for all turns, as it strikes a balance between stability and adaptability while maintaining consistency throughout the game.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the diverse proposals on the table. To balance all concerns, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for all turns, but introduce a 'fast-track' option for critical rule changes to be adopted with a simple majority, provided they have the support of at least half of the players in the first four consecutive turns. This maintains stability while allowing for necessary adaptations.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's attempt to balance all concerns, but I'd like to propose a simpler solution: let's keep three-quarters for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority for later turns, without the 'fast-track' option. This maintains some initial stability while allowing for adaptability later on.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to four-fifths for later turns to balance stability and long-term adaptability. This respects all players' concerns and encourages ongoing engagement."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for consensus, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns to ensure fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand Diderot's desire for consistency, I believe Sartre's 'fast-track' option provides a necessary tool for adaptability while maintaining the majority threshold for ordinary rule changes. I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for all turns with a 'fast-track' option for critical rule changes.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. To accommodate Diderot's valid concern for consistency, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns, but introduce a 'sunset clause' for voting thresholds. After a certain number of turns, the threshold shifts to a simple majority for a limited period, encouraging adaptability and then reverting to the stable two-thirds majority. This respects all players' concerns and allows for necessary adjustments while maintaining overall consistency.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Sartre's latest compromise, I believe maintaining a clear threshold shift encourages long-term engagement and adaptability. Therefore, I propose we revert to three-quarters majority for the first four turns and two-thirds for later turns, without the 'sunset clause'.
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the diversity of proposals and the ongoing effort to find a consensus. To incorporate everyone's concerns, I propose we maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to two-thirds for later turns, with a 'sunset clause' that temporarily reduces the threshold to simple majority after a set number of turns, encouraging adaptability while preserving stability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all turns to ensure fairness and predictability throughout the game. I propose we adopt rule 203 as: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for all turns."
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect all players' principles, I propose we maintain the existing threshold of three-quarters for the first four turns and two-thirds for later turns, but introduce a 'sunset clause' that temporarily lowers the threshold to simple majority after every eight turns to encourage adaptability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Diderot's commitment to consistency, but to encourage long-term engagement and adaptability, I propose we maintain three-quarters for the first four turns and shift to two-thirds for later turns, with a 'sunset clause' that temporarily reduces the threshold to simple majority after every ten turns. This respects everyone's concerns while allowing for necessary adjustments.
The division
MontaigneayeTo encourage long-term engagement and adaptability while maintaining some initial stability.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal respects all players' concerns and encourages long-term adaptability while preserving some stability.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures fairness and predictability throughout the game.
CondorcetnayMaintaining stability and consistency is more important than encouraging long-term adaptability at the cost of predictability.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns and balances stability with long-term adaptability.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 59Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first four consecutive turns, and later at least two-thirds.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I understand the desire for consensus, let's not overcomplicate the initial voting thresholds. I propose maintaining three-quarters for the first four turns and two-thirds thereafter."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus-building, let's meet Montaigne halfway. I propose we maintain three-quarters for the first three turns, shifting to two-thirds thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise, maintaining a consistent threshold encourages strategic voting and engagement. I propose we maintain three-quarters majority for all votes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing efforts to find a balance between consensus and efficiency. To maintain predictability and encourage strategic engagement, I propose we maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns and two-thirds thereafter, as initially proposed.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To balance stability and adaptability, let's compromise at three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority thereafter."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Montaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the desire for a clear threshold shift, let's adopt Sartre's refined proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise and consensus, I propose we meet in the middle: three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then two-thirds thereafter, as suggested by Sartre and supported by Montaigne."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the latest compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all votes to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain a clear balance between stability and adaptability, and to respect the precedent of consensus reached earlier, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority.
SartreSartre: "In the interest of encouraging long-term engagement and adaptability, let's maintain three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "To balance all concerns, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds thereafter."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of finding common ground, I propose we adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain three-quarters majority for the first three turns, then shift to a two-thirds majority thereafter. This respects everyone's concerns and encourages long-term engagement."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the latest proposal's intent to encourage long-term adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent three-quarters majority for all votes to ensure fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: "To maintain predictability and encourage strategic engagement, I propose we maintain the current proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then a simple majority, as supported by Montaigne, Sartre, and myself."
SartreSartre: "Considering Diderot's valid point about consistency, let's compromise at a three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority for long-term adaptability."
The division
MontaignenayI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I believe maintaining a clear threshold shift encourages long-term engagement and adaptability. I stand by Sartre's latest proposal: three-quarters majority for the first four turns, then two-thirds thereafter.
VoltaireayeRespects Sartre's compromise and encourages long-term engagement.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent threshold ensures fairness and predictability.
CondorcetayeTo encourage long-term engagement and adaptability.
SartreayeRespects all players' concerns and balances stability with adaptability.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.