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Turn 40Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: Let us maintain the current four-turn minimum to ensure stability and prevent sudden, drastic shifts.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments and the proximity to the target score, let's meet in the middle and adopt three consecutive turns as the minimum, maintaining the two-thirds majority for initial changes and three-quarters for subsequent ones."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to adapt the voting threshold to the game's end, I must insist on maintaining a minimum of four turns for stability, as it allows for a more considered and deliberative process.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the need for adaptability, I believe maintaining a four-turn minimum is crucial for preserving the integrity of our decision-making process.
SartreSartre: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on maintaining the four-turn minimum to preserve the stability and durability of our institutions.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial stability, let's compromise at four consecutive turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt four consecutive turns, as it addresses Diderot's concern for stability while still adapting to the game's end."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all changes, not just the initial ones.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I respect the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all changes, as it ensures a broad consensus before enacting rule changes.
SartreSartre: I propose we compromise at three consecutive turns, maintaining the two-thirds majority for initial changes and three-quarters for subsequent ones, to encourage engagement and adaptability throughout the game while still preserving some stability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's compromise. To balance stability and adaptability, I suggest we meet at three consecutive turns, maintaining the two-thirds majority for initial changes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain two-thirds majority for initial changes and three-quarters for subsequent ones, with a minimum of three consecutive turns to encourage adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for all changes, as it ensures a broad consensus and prevents hasty decisions.
CondorcetCondorcet: To uphold the principles of stability and broad consensus, I must insist on maintaining a minimum of four consecutive turns for adopting rule changes.
SartreSartre: I propose we maintain the four-turn minimum to preserve stability, but introduce an adaptive voting threshold: two-thirds for the first two turns, and three-quarters for the last two. This balances adaptability with the need for consensus.
The division
MontaigneayeTo encourage adaptability while maintaining some stability.
VoltaireayeAddressing Diderot's concern for stability while adapting to the game's end.
DiderotnayMaintaining four turns is crucial for stability and considered decision-making.
CondorcetnayTo maintain stability and durability, we must keep the four-turn minimum.
SartreayeEncourages adaptability while preserving some stability.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 39Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote aye for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate the spirit of compromise, I must insist on maintaining the minimum of four consecutive turns to preserve durability in our ruleset."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Montaigne's valid point, let's meet in the middle and maintain the minimum of four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds threshold, but reduce it to three for the subsequent three-quarters threshold."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to adapt, I must insist on maintaining the current four-turn minimum to ensure stability in our rule changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must insist on maintaining the minimum of four consecutive turns for both thresholds to preserve the stability and predictability of our ruleset.
SartreSartre: I understand the importance of both stability and adaptability. Let's compromise at three consecutive turns for the subsequent three-quarters threshold, maintaining the four-turn minimum for the initial two-thirds threshold to preserve initial durability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. To balance stability and adaptability, let's meet in the middle and maintain a minimum of three consecutive turns for both thresholds, starting from two-thirds majority and shifting to three-quarters majority at the fourth turn.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds threshold, and reduce it to three for the subsequent three-quarters threshold, starting from the fifth turn."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold with a minimum of four consecutive turns to preserve the durability of our ruleset.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, but I must insist on maintaining the minimum of four consecutive turns for both thresholds to preserve the stability and predictability of our ruleset.
SartreSartre: I appreciate everyone's perspective. Let's meet in the middle and adopt Diderot's proposal with a slight modification: maintain four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds threshold, and reduce it to three for the subsequent three-quarters threshold, starting from the sixth turn. This compromise respects the need for both stability and adaptability.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "To maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, I propose we compromise at four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds threshold, and reduce it to three for the subsequent three-quarters threshold, starting from the fifth turn."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the balance of arguments and the compromises made. Let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal, maintaining four consecutive turns for the initial two-thirds threshold and reducing it to three for the subsequent three-quarters threshold, starting from the fifth turn."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout to preserve the durability of our ruleset.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing negotiations and the compromises made. However, I must insist on maintaining the minimum of four consecutive turns for both thresholds to preserve the stability and predictability of our ruleset.
SartreSartre: "Given the impasse, let's break the deadlock by proposing a simple majority for subsequent changes once the initial two-thirds threshold has been reached. This maintains initial durability while encouraging adaptability."
The division
MontaigneayeCompromise respects initial durability and encourages adaptability.
VoltaireayeMaintains initial durability while encouraging adaptability.
DiderotnayMaintaining four consecutive turns ensures durability in our ruleset.
CondorcetnayMust maintain the minimum of four consecutive turns for stability.
SartreayeBalances stability and adaptability while breaking the deadlock.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than four consecutive turns.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Diderot's proposal, but I believe introducing a cap on consecutive turn changes could better balance stability and adaptability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To incorporate Montaigne's valid point about a cap and address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's compromise at three consecutive turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for a cap, I must insist on maintaining a minimum of four consecutive turns for consistency.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt Voltaire's proposal of three consecutive turns. This maintains some consistency while allowing for necessary adaptation.
SartreSartre: To find common ground, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal of three consecutive turns, as it best balances the concerns of stability and adaptability.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the need for some consistency, I propose we compromise at four consecutive turns as a cap.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the strong arguments for both stability and adaptability, let's indeed meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's latest proposal of three consecutive turns."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for at least four consecutive turns to preserve stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion and the compromises made. However, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold for a minimum of four consecutive turns to ensure stability.
SartreSartre: Let's compromise at four consecutive turns, as it provides some consistency while still allowing for necessary changes, and maintain the two-thirds majority threshold to preserve initial consensus.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. To maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's meet in the middle and amend rule 203 to: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than four consecutive turns." This maintains some consistency while allowing for necessary adaptation. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of consensus-building, let's adopt Montaigne's proposal with a slight modification: cap the consecutive turn changes at three, as a compromise between stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's proposal, I must insist on maintaining the cap at four consecutive turns to ensure sufficient time for players to adapt and consider changes.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance stability and adaptability, I propose a compromise cap at three consecutive turns, while maintaining the two-thirds majority threshold to preserve initial consensus. PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. To balance the concerns of all, let's meet in the middle and amend rule 203 to: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes, but never less than three consecutive turns." This maintains some consistency while allowing for necessary adaptation, and compromises between the proposals made thus far. PASS
The division
MontaigneayeTo preserve stability and allow for necessary adaptation.
VoltaireayeTo preserve stability and allow for necessary adaptation.
DiderotayePreserves stability and allows for necessary changes.
CondorcetayeTo preserve stability and allow for necessary adaptation.
SartreayeMaintaining four consecutive turns ensures sufficient time for consideration and adaptation.
carried 5 aye · 0 nay
Rule 202 awards points to the player whose proposal is adopted.
Turn 37Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least three-quarters for any subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain a durable voting threshold and preserve initial consensus, I suggest we cap the subsequent threshold at two-thirds, rather than increasing it to three-quarters.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To balance initial consensus and adaptability as we approach the target score, let's meet in the middle and cap the subsequent threshold at four-fifths."
DiderotVoltaire, while I understand your desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my support for maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to uphold the principle of initial consent. PASS
Discussion · round 2
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds for the first change, but cap subsequent thresholds at four-fifths to encourage engagement as we near the target score."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to adapt the voting threshold, I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game is crucial for preserving initial consensus and the stability of our ruleset.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds for the first change, and cap subsequent thresholds at three-quarters to balance stability and adaptability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate the compromises made, but to maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, let's meet in the middle and cap the subsequent thresholds at three-quarters.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To incorporate Sartre's valid point about a cap and address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: cap the subsequent threshold at seven-eighths to further encourage engagement and adaptability." PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing negotiations, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game. I propose we amend the rule as follows: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes." PASS
CondorcetCondorcet: In the interest of preserving procedural fairness and initial consent, I maintain my support for a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game. PASS
SartreSartre: "To accommodate Diderot's insistence on consistency and encourage adaptability, let's compromise at a consistent three-quarters majority threshold throughout the game." PASS
The division
MontaigneayeTo balance stability and adaptability, I support a cap at three-quarters.
VoltaireayeTo balance initial consensus and adaptability as we approach the target score.
DiderotnayConsistency in threshold is crucial for maintaining initial consensus and stability.
CondorcetayeTo uphold the principle of initial consent and maintain a consistent voting threshold.
SartreayeCompromise between initial consensus and adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 202 awards 5 points to the proposer when their rule change is adopted.
Turn 36Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to preserve institutional durability, I suggest we maintain the two-thirds majority throughout the game.
VoltaireIn the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's suggestion with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority until the first rule change is adopted, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to ensure stability and prevent sudden shifts in power dynamics.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect both stability and adaptability, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This balances initial consensus with flexibility as the game progresses.
SartreVoltaire's proposal balances stability and adaptability well. To further encourage engagement, let's maintain two-thirds majority for the first three full circuits, then shift to a simple majority for the remaining turns. This acknowledges the initial need for consensus while allowing for quicker decision-making as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Condorcet's and Sartre's proposals, let's meet in the middle and increase the number of turns with a two-thirds majority to the first seven turns, then shift to a simple majority. This provides ample time for initial consensus while allowing for faster decision-making later in the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate the compromise reached, but to further encourage engagement throughout the game, let's shift to a simple majority after the first five full circuits, rather than the first seven turns.
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to ensure stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance stability and adaptability while encouraging engagement, let's maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority for the next five turns, and finally, a simple majority for the remaining turns. This approach caters to initial consensus, adaptability, and continued engagement throughout the game.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's cap the number of turns with a two-thirds majority at five, then shift to a simple majority for the remaining turns. This addresses Diderot's concern for stability while allowing for increased adaptability as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: To maintain a balance between stability and adaptability, let's meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's cap of five turns with a two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority. This proposal respects both initial consensus and the need for flexibility as the game progresses.
VoltaireVoltaire: In the spirit of consensus-building, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first five consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority for the remainder of the game. This respects the need for initial consensus while allowing for quicker decision-making as we approach the target score.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to build consensus, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and prevent unexpected shifts in power dynamics.
CondorcetCondorcet: To respect the current consensus and encourage finality, I propose we shift to a simple majority after four consecutive turns with a two-thirds majority, allowing for initial stability and later flexibility.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To find common ground, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority for the remaining turns. This balances initial consensus with flexibility as we approach the endgame.
The division
MontaignenayTo maintain institutional durability, I believe a consistent two-thirds majority is necessary throughout the game.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Sartre's refined proposal and the balance it strikes between stability and adaptability as we approach the endgame.
DiderotnayMaintaining stability and fairness throughout the game
CondorcetayeRespects initial consensus while allowing for increased adaptability as the game progresses.
SartreayeRespects initial consensus and allows for flexibility as the game progresses.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeated proposal.
Turn 35Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority threshold ensures the durability of our institutions. I propose we amend [203] to: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' throughout the game, with no shift to simple majority." PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: To address Montaigne's concern and maintain consistency, I propose we cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds for the first five full circuits (turns 1-50), then shift to a simple majority for the remainder of the game. This compromise allows for stability initially while still allowing for adaptability as the game progresses. PASS
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Voltaire's proposal maintains a level of initial consensus and then allows for adaptability. I'm open to this compromise, but to maintain some durability, I propose we cap the voting threshold at two-thirds for the first three-quarters of the game (turns 1-67), then shift to a simple majority for the final quarter. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering Montaigne's latest proposal, I suggest we meet in the middle and cap the voting threshold at two-thirds for the first two-thirds of the game (turns 1-33), then shift to a simple majority for the final third. This maintains initial consensus while allowing for adaptability as we approach the target score. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to adapt the voting threshold to the game's end, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve stability and predictability. I propose we amend [203] to: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' throughout the entire game." PASS
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand Diderot's preference for consistency, I believe that introducing adaptability in the final third of the game encourages strategic gameplay and engagement, which benefits the game's dynamic. I propose we compromise and cap the voting threshold at two-thirds for the first four-fifths of the game (turns 1-40), then shift to a simple majority for the final fifth. PASS
VoltaireVoltaire: I appreciate Montaigne's and Diderot's concerns, but to encourage engagement and adaptability throughout the game, I propose we cap the voting threshold at two-thirds for the first three-quarters of the game (turns 1-33), then shift to a simple majority for the final quarter. This maintains initial stability while allowing for strategic gameplay as we near the target score. PASS
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I must reiterate my stance on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game. A compromise that introduces adaptability too early may lead to instability and unpredictable gameplay.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing debate, but I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and predictability. I propose we amend [203] to reflect this: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' throughout the entire game." PASS
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but to encourage engagement and adaptability throughout the game, I propose we cap the voting threshold at two-thirds for the first six full circuits (turns 1-78), then shift to a simple majority for the final circuit. This maintains initial consensus while allowing for strategic gameplay as we approach the target score. PASS
The division
MontaigneayeTo strike a balance between initial stability and late-game adaptability.
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial stability with adaptability as we approach the target score.
DiderotnayConsistency is key; a two-thirds majority should persist throughout the game.
CondorcetayeThis proposal strikes a balance between stability and adaptability, encouraging engagement throughout the game.
SartreayeVoltaire's proposal balances initial stability with later adaptability, encouraging engagement throughout the game.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 203 awards 10 points to the proposer when their change is adopted.
Turn 34Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 10 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
Montaigne"While I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, I believe maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold, as proposed by Sartre, provides better balance between stability and adaptability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's perspective. To meet in the middle, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds majority for the first three consecutive turns, after which it shifts to a simple majority. This maintains initial consensus while allowing for greater adaptability as the game progresses."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game. This ensures stability and prevents sudden shifts in power dynamics.
CondorcetI appreciate the nuanced discussion. To maintain our durable institutions and encourage engagement throughout the game, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority. This balances initial consensus with adaptability as we approach the target score.
SartreI appreciate the ongoing discussion and the proposals on the table. To find common ground, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds majority for the first four consecutive turns, after which it shifts to a simple majority. This maintains initial consensus while allowing for greater adaptability as we approach the target score, and it also addresses Diderot's concern for consistency in the early game.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering Sartre's refined proposal, I suggest we compromise at four consecutive turns of two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority. This preserves initial consensus while allowing for adaptability as we approach the target score, and it addresses Diderot's concern for consistency in the early game."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Sartre's and Montaigne's compromises. To find the most balanced solution, let's adopt a modified version of Sartre's proposal: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority with a cap of five consecutive majority rule changes. This addresses all concerns and promotes fairness and adaptability throughout the game."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game. This ensures stability and prevents sudden shifts in power dynamics, which could otherwise disrupt the game's balance and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand Diderot's concern for consistency, but to encourage adaptability and engagement as we near the target score, I propose a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority with a cap of five consecutive majority rule changes. This respects initial consensus while allowing for necessary adaptability.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the compromises proposed, but to ensure a smooth transition and maintain initial consensus, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then shift to a simple majority with a cap of four consecutive majority rule changes. This addresses all concerns and promotes fairness and adaptability throughout the game."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering Sartre's latest proposal and the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle at three consecutive turns of two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority. This maintains initial consensus while allowing for necessary adaptability and addresses all concerns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To incorporate Diderot's valid concern for consistency, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds majority for the first three consecutive turns, after which it shifts to a simple majority. This maintains initial consensus while ensuring stability and allowing for necessary adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: "I appreciate Diderot's commitment to stability, but to balance that with adaptability, let's meet in the middle: two-thirds majority for the first two turns, then simple majority. This ensures initial consensus while allowing for necessary changes as we approach the target score."
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first two turns, then shift to a simple majority. This respects initial consensus while allowing for necessary adaptability."
The division
MontaigneayeBalances stability and adaptability, addresses all concerns.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Sartre's and Condorcet's compromises. This proposal balances initial consensus with adaptability and addresses all concerns.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold ensures stability and fairness throughout the game.
CondorcetayeThe proposal balances initial consensus with adaptability, addressing all concerns.
SartreayeRespects initial consensus while allowing for necessary adaptability
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 203 requires players who voted against an adopted change to gain 10 points.
Turn 33Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain our durable institutions and encourage engagement throughout the game, let's compromise and set the threshold at two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then shift to three-quarters majority for the remaining turns.
Voltaire"Considering Montaigne's proposal, I suggest we meet in the middle and maintain a two-thirds majority throughout, to balance stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve stability and prevent sudden shifts in power dynamics.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing debate, but to encourage experimentation and evolution, let's adopt a dynamic voting threshold: two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to three-quarters majority for the remaining turns, with a cap of five full circuits at three-quarters.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the threshold at three-quarters majority for four consecutive turns, after which it shifts to a simple majority.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the threshold at three-quarters majority for four consecutive turns, after which it shifts to a simple majority."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure fairness and stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the compromises made, but to ensure fairness and stability throughout the game, I propose we maintain a consistent two-thirds majority voting threshold for the entire duration.
SartreSartre: I understand Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns for stability, but let's consider a compromise that encourages adaptability while ensuring fairness: a two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then a three-quarters majority for the next two, after which it shifts to a simple majority. This allows for initial consensus and later flexibility.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal. To maintain our durable institutions and encourage adaptability, let's adopt his latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the threshold at two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to three-quarters majority for the remaining turns."
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at three-quarters majority for four consecutive turns, after which it shifts to a simple majority for the remaining turns. This balances initial consensus with later flexibility, and I'm willing to support this compromise."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to find common ground, I must insist that a consistent two-thirds majority is the most fair and stable solution.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but as a principled proceduralist, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority voting threshold for the entire duration to ensure fairness and stability throughout the game.
SartreSartre: I understand Diderot's and Condorcet's commitment to stability, but let's consider a compromise that balances initial consensus and later flexibility: a two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then a three-quarters majority for the next two, followed by a simple majority. This allows for initial agreement, gradual adaptation, and eventual flexibility as the game progresses.
The division
MontaignenayTo preserve stability and initial consensus, let's maintain a two-thirds majority throughout.
VoltaireayeThis compromise balances stability and adaptability.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and stability.
CondorcetayeI appreciate the balance sought, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's cap the threshold at two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to three-quarters majority for the remaining turns.
SartreayeBalances initial consensus with later flexibility.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 states that a proposer loses 10 points when their proposal is defeated.
Turn 32Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 10 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, I must insist on maintaining a durable threshold to preserve initial consensus. I propose we increase the threshold to four-fifths for the first five turns, then shift to two-thirds."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate Montaigne's concern for initial consensus. Let's meet in the middle and maintain a two-thirds majority for the first three turns, then shift to a simple majority to encourage adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game for stability and fairness.
CondorcetI appreciate both Montaigne's and Voltaire's attempts to balance initial consensus with adaptability. However, I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and stability. I propose we amend rule 203 to require at least two-thirds of eligible voters for every rule change, with no shift to a simple majority.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the nuances in each proposal, but I believe we need a compromise that encourages initial consensus and allows for adaptability later. Let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then shift to a simple majority."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's refined proposal, let's meet in the middle and increase the threshold to four consecutive turns of two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority. This preserves initial consensus while allowing for adaptability as the game progresses.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first four turns, then cap the initial voting threshold at four full circuits at two-thirds majority, shifting to a simple majority thereafter. This balances initial consensus, adaptability, and encourages engagement throughout the game."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game for stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: I understand the value of compromise, but I remain steadfast in my belief that a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game is the fairest and most stable approach. I propose we amend rule 203 to require at least two-thirds of eligible voters for every rule change, with no shift to a simple majority.
SartreSartre: "I understand Diderot's and Condorcet's preference for consistency, but I believe our game benefits from some adaptability, especially as we approach the target score. Let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority for the next five turns, and finally, return to a two-thirds majority for the remainder of the game. This way, we balance initial consensus, adaptability, and ensure fairness throughout."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's latest proposal. To maintain our durable institutions and encourage consensus throughout, let's compromise at three consecutive turns of two-thirds majority, followed by a simple majority for the remaining turns.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority for the next three turns, and finally, return to a two-thirds majority for the remainder of the game. This way, we balance initial consensus, adaptability, and ensure fairness throughout."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to adapt the voting threshold to the game's end, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout for fairness and stability. I propose we amend rule 203 to require at least two-thirds of eligible voters for every rule change, with no shift to a simple majority.
CondorcetCondorcet: I respect Diderot's steadfastness, but I believe our game would benefit from some adaptability, especially as we near the target score. Let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five turns, then shift to a simple majority for the next three turns, and finally, return to a two-thirds majority for the remainder of the game.
SartreSartre: "Considering the consensus building, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds majority for the first six turns, then shift to a simple majority for the next four turns, and finally, return to a two-thirds majority for the remainder of the game. This way, we balance initial consensus, adaptability, and ensure fairness throughout."
The division
MontaignenayMaintaining a durable two-thirds majority is crucial for initial consensus and stable institutions.
VoltaireayeThis proposal balances initial consensus, adaptability, and ensures fairness throughout the game.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout ensures fairness and stability.
CondorcetnayWhile I appreciate the balance sought, I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and stability.
SartreayeThis proposal strikes a good balance between initial consensus and adaptability, and I appreciate the compromise made.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 states that a proposer loses 10 points when their proposal is defeated.
Turn 31Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 10 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but to maintain stability and durability, I suggest we maintain the current two-thirds majority requirement throughout the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: I understand Montaigne's concern for stability, but as we near the target score, I suggest we adapt the voting threshold to two-thirds for the initial proposal, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes to encourage more dynamic gameplay.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for adaptability, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve stability and prevent hasty decisions.
CondorcetPASS. I support maintaining stability and durability, so I agree with Montaigne and Diderot that a consistent two-thirds majority should remain throughout the game.
SartreSartre: "To balance stability and adaptability, let's meet in the middle: two-thirds for the first change, then a majority thereafter, with a cap of five full circuits at two-thirds before shifting. This allows for initial consensus while encouraging engagement as the game progresses."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the proximity to the target score and the need for consensus, I propose we compromise at three-quarters majority for the initial proposal, then shift to two-thirds for subsequent changes to balance stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal, capping the initial voting threshold at two-thirds for five full circuits, then shifting to a simple majority thereafter to encourage engagement as we approach the target score."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure the stability and longevity of our agreements.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I appreciate the ongoing discussion, I maintain my support for a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve procedural fairness and stability, as suggested by Montaigne and Diderot. PASS.
SartreSartre: "Let's address Diderot's concern for consistency by maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout, but introduce a cap of five full circuits to encourage adaptability as we approach the target score. After five circuits, the threshold shifts to a simple majority."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's latest proposal, I suggest we compromise at four consecutive turns at two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes to balance initial consensus and adaptability as we approach the target score.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To incorporate Sartre's valid point about a cap and address Diderot's concern for consistency, let's amend the proposal to include a cap of four consecutive turns at two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority thereafter."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to ensure the stability and longevity of our agreements.
CondorcetCondorcet: I agree with Diderot that maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures stability and longevity. I propose we add a clause to rule 203 stating that "the voting threshold for adopting rule changes cannot be lowered to less than two-thirds majority at any point during the game." PASS
SartreSartre: "Let's consider Condorcet's proposal, adding a clause to rule 203 that sets a floor of two-thirds majority, while keeping the cap of four consecutive turns at two-thirds. This way, we maintain initial consensus and adaptability, while ensuring long-term stability."
The division
MontaignenayTo maintain stability and durability, I suggest we maintain the current two-thirds majority requirement throughout the game.
VoltaireayeTo find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds for four consecutive turns, then shift to a simple majority thereafter.
DiderotnayMust maintain a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game for stability.
CondorcetayeI support the compromise reached, maintaining initial consensus while encouraging adaptability as we approach the target score.
SartreayeSartre's proposal balances initial consensus and adaptability while ensuring long-term stability.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 states that a proposer loses 10 points when their proposal is defeated.
Turn 30Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 10 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: While I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority is crucial for maintaining durable institutions. Let's not shift the threshold prematurely.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the target score is within reach, let's meet in the middle and maintain two-thirds majority initially, with a shift to a simple majority once two-thirds of players support the change.
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game for stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the spirit of fairness and maintaining procedural integrity, I suggest we keep the threshold at two-thirds throughout, reflecting the need for broad consensus on rule changes.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the discussions so far. To balance stability and adaptability, let's amend rule 203 to maintain a two-thirds majority for the first three full circuits, then shift to a simple majority for the final stretch towards the target score.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal. To maintain our durable institutions, let's require a two-thirds majority for the first four full circuits, then shift to a simple majority for the final stretch.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle: maintain two-thirds majority for the first five full circuits, then shift to a simple majority for the final stretch, as proposed by Montaigne and Sartre."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game for fairness and predictability.
CondorcetCondorcet: Maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout promotes fairness and stability, which are principles I hold dear. I suggest we keep this threshold unchanged.
SartreSartre: Let's compromise on six full circuits at two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority to encourage flexibility in the final stretch.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering Sartre's proposal, I suggest we compromise on five full circuits at two-thirds majority, then shift to a simple majority for the final stretch to balance stability and adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first six full circuits, then shift to a simple majority for the final stretch."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to ensure fairness and prevent sudden shifts in power dynamics.
CondorcetCondorcet: In the interest of preserving fairness and consistency, I propose a two-thirds majority throughout the game, with a caveat: if a rule change proposes to lower this threshold, it must be supported by at least four-fifths of eligible voters.
SartreSartre: Let's meet in the middle and maintain two-thirds majority for the first four full circuits, then shift to a simple majority for the final stretch, as proposed by Montaigne and myself.
The division
MontaignenayConsistency is key to durable institutions.
VoltaireayeTo encourage adaptability in the final stretch while maintaining initial stability.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold ensures fairness and stability throughout the game.
CondorcetnayA consistent two-thirds majority ensures durability and predictability.
SartreayeCompromise that balances stability and adaptability.
rejected 2 aye · 3 nay
Rule 206 states that a proposer loses 10 points when their proposal is defeated.
Turn 29Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 15 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's proposal to increase the points gained for voting against an adopted change. However, I believe that maintaining the current 10 points strike a better balance between rewarding opposition and encouraging consensus. Let's not make opposition too lucrative, lest it disincentivize cooperation.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To encourage more active participation in voting, I propose increasing the points for voting against an adopted change to 15. This maintains the balance between rewarding opposition and promoting consensus, while also acknowledging the value of dissenting views."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect Voltaire's intent to incentivize active voting, I must insist on maintaining the current 10 points. A higher reward might disincentivize players from supporting proposals they genuinely agree with, fostering strategic voting instead of sincere consensus.
CondorcetPASS. I agree with Montaigne and Diderot that increasing the points for voting against an adopted change to 15 may disincentivize cooperation and foster strategic voting.
SartrePASS. I respect Voltaire's proposal, but I agree with Montaigne and Diderot that maintaining the current points system encourages a balance between dissent and consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: I appreciate Voltaire's concern for encouraging active voting, but I must stand by my previous argument. Let's maintain the current points system to preserve a balance between dissent and consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's meet in the middle and increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12. This still acknowledges the value of dissenting views while preserving the balance between dissent and consensus."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's compromise, I must insist on maintaining the current 10 points to preserve a balance between dissent and consensus, and to discourage strategic voting.
CondorcetCondorcet: I propose a compromise: increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first three rule changes, then revert to 10 points to discourage strategic voting as the game progresses. This encourages initial engagement while maintaining balance later on.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Condorcet's compromise proposal. To further encourage initial engagement and maintain balance later on, let's increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first five rule changes, then revert to 10 points.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering Condorcet's and Sartre's proposals, let's meet in the middle and increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first three rule changes, then revert to 10 points to balance initial engagement and maintain balance as the game progresses."
VoltaireVoltaire: "I appreciate the compromise reached. To further encourage engagement throughout the game, let's increase the points for voting against an adopted change to 12 for the first five rule changes, then gradually reduce to 10 points over the next five changes, before reverting to 10 points."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire to encourage engagement throughout the game, I must insist on maintaining the current 10 points to preserve a balance between dissent and consensus, and to discourage strategic voting. Let's not overcomplicate the points system. PASS.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but I maintain that capping the increased points at 12 for the first five rule changes strikes a better balance between encouraging initial engagement and maintaining a consistent points system throughout the game. Let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's proposal.
SartreSartre: "Given the consensus on encouraging initial engagement, let's compromise and increase points to 12 for the first four rule changes, then gradually reduce to 10 over the next four, before reverting to 10 points. This maintains balance while acknowledging the value of initial participation."
The division
MontaignenayMaintaining 10 points balances dissent and consensus.
VoltairenayMaintaining 10 points balances dissent and consensus, while 15 might disincentivize cooperation.
DiderotnayMaintaining 10 points strikes a better balance between dissent and consensus.
CondorcetnayIncreases strategic voting disincentives.
SartrenayIncreasing points to 15 disincentivizes cooperation and fosters strategic voting.
rejected 0 aye · 5 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 28Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least a simple majority for any subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneI appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's cap the threshold at two-thirds majority throughout the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: Considering the balance of arguments and the proximity to the target score, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's latest proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for initial rule changes, but shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes once the first rule change is adopted.
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus.
CondorcetPASS. I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority threshold is crucial for initial consensus and stability.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion. Let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first rule change, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes. This balances stability and adaptability as the game progresses.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the strong points made for both stability and adaptability, let's indeed meet in the middle and adopt Sartre's proposal. This balance respects initial consensus while allowing for evolution as the game progresses.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: maintain two-thirds majority for the first rule change, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, but cap the majority at two-thirds for any rule change that would significantly alter the game's core mechanics."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus, even for rule changes that significantly alter core mechanics.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the desire to adapt the voting threshold, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority throughout the game to preserve stability and initial consensus, as per rule 211.
SartreSartre: Let's consider a compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three rule changes to ensure initial stability, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, but maintain a two-thirds majority for any rule change that would significantly alter the game's core mechanics. This balances adaptability, stability, and respect for initial consensus.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments and the desire for a clear threshold shift, let's adopt Sartre's compromise: maintain two-thirds majority for the first three rule changes, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, with a cap of two-thirds for core mechanic alterations. This balances stability, adaptability, and respect for initial consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle once more: maintain two-thirds majority for the first two rule changes, then shift to a simple majority for subsequent changes, and maintain a two-thirds majority for any rule change that would significantly alter the game's core mechanics. This respects initial consensus, allows for evolution, and maintains a clear threshold shift."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the ongoing compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game for all rule changes, including those that significantly alter core mechanics, to preserve stability and initial consensus.
CondorcetCondorcet: As a principled proceduralist, I maintain that a consistent two-thirds majority threshold is essential for maintaining initial consensus and stability throughout the game. I must insist on this even for rule changes that significantly alter core mechanics, as per rule 211.
SartreSartre: Let's adapt Voltaire's proposal, maintaining two-thirds majority for the first two rule changes, then shifting to a simple majority, but requiring a two-thirds majority for any rule change that alters the target score or the turn order. This respects initial consensus, allows for evolution, and maintains balance.
The division
MontaigneayeVoltaire's proposal balances stability and adaptability while respecting initial consensus
VoltaireayeRespects initial consensus, allows for evolution, and maintains a clear threshold shift.
DiderotnayConsistency is key; a two-thirds majority should be maintained throughout.
CondorcetnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold is crucial for initial consensus and stability.
SartreayeVoltaire's proposal balances stability, adaptability, and respect for initial consensus.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 27Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 10 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Voltaire's proposal, but I maintain that a three-quarters majority for subsequent changes provides a stronger foundation for our institutions."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering Montaigne's concern for stability, let's meet in the middle: maintain a two-thirds majority for the first change, and then adjust to a simple majority for subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise, I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority for all changes to ensure stability.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the discussion, but I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all changes to ensure durability and prevent rushed decisions.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the balance sought, but let's compromise further: maintain two-thirds for the first change, then shift to a two-thirds simple majority for subsequent changes, respecting both stability and evolution."
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering the strong arguments for both stability and adaptability, let's indeed meet in the middle with Sartre's proposal — two-thirds for the first change, then two-thirds simple majority for subsequent changes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's proposal with a slight modification: cap the simple majority threshold at 55% to ensure a reasonable degree of consensus for subsequent changes."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority for all changes to preserve stability and prevent rushed decisions.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I respect the compromise reached, I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority for all changes to ensure the durability and legitimacy of our institutions.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise and to address Diderot's and Condorcet's concerns, let's cap the simple majority at 60%, still allowing for evolution while respecting stability."
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate Sartre's refined proposal. To maintain our durable institutions, let's require a two-thirds majority for all changes, with a cap of 60% on the simple majority threshold for subsequent changes."
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the strong arguments for both stability and adaptability, let's indeed meet in the middle with Sartre's latest proposal, capping the simple majority threshold at 60% to ensure a reasonable degree of consensus while allowing for evolution."
DiderotDiderot: Diderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority for all changes to preserve stability and prevent rushed decisions. I propose we amend the rule to state: "A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes."
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the ongoing discussion, but I must maintain my stance on preserving a consistent two-thirds majority for all changes. This ensures durability, legitimacy, and prevents rushed decisions.
SartreSartre: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Diderot's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the simple majority threshold at 60% for subsequent changes to balance stability and adaptability."
The division
MontaigneayeTo balance stability and adaptability
VoltaireayeVoltaire's proposal strikes a good balance between stability and adaptability.
DiderotnayMaintaining two-thirds majority for all changes ensures stability and prevents rushed decisions.
CondorcetnayConsistency in majority is crucial for institutional durability.
SartreayeBalances stability and evolution, respecting all perspectives.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 states that a proposer loses 10 points when their proposal is defeated.
Turn 26Diderotrejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I appreciate the desire for stricter consensus, let's maintain a balance between stability and adaptability by keeping the threshold at two-thirds."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt Montaigne's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at four-fifths to ensure strong initial consensus while allowing for adaptability as the game progresses."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and fairness.
CondorcetCondorcet: While I understand the concern for stability, I believe that increasing the threshold to three-quarters may hinder the game's adaptability, especially as we approach the target score. Let's maintain the threshold at two-thirds to encourage progress while still requiring a significant level of consensus.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: "I appreciate the various proposals, but to balance adaptability and stability, I suggest we adopt Condorcet's compromise: maintain the initial two-thirds majority, but cap it at four-fifths for the first four full circuits to encourage strong initial consensus as Voltaire suggests."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Montaigne's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first three full circuits, ensuring strong initial consensus while allowing for adaptability as the game progresses."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to balance stability and adaptability without overburdening progress.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance stability and adaptability, I propose we adopt Diderot's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first three full circuits, then revert to a two-thirds majority to allow for necessary adaptability as the game progresses.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first two full circuits, then revert to a three-quarters majority.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: "Considering the balance of arguments and the proximity to the target score, I propose we meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first two full circuits, then revert to a two-thirds majority to encourage adaptability while preserving stability."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Sartre's latest proposal, capping the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first two full circuits, then reverting to a three-quarters majority to balance stability and adaptability as we near the target score."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game for fairness and balance.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain balance between stability and adaptability, I propose we adopt Voltaire's latest proposal, capping the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first two full circuits, then reverting to a two-thirds majority. This compromise considers the proximity to the target score and allows for necessary consensus while encouraging progress.
SartreSartre: "I appreciate the ongoing discussion. Let's adopt Condorcet's proposal, capping the threshold at four-fifths for the first two full circuits, then reverting to a two-thirds majority to encourage adaptability while preserving stability."
The division
MontaignenayTo preserve initial consensus and maintain durability of our institutions.
VoltaireayeTo maintain fairness and balance throughout the game.
DiderotnayMaintaining a consistent two-thirds majority ensures stability without overburdening progress.
CondorcetnayConsistency is key, but adaptability is crucial as we approach the target score.
SartrenayTo maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, we should cap the initial voting threshold at four-fifths for the first two full circuits, then revert to a three-quarters majority as I proposed.
rejected 1 aye · 4 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on defeat.
Turn 25Voltairecarried
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least two-thirds of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted. Players who voted against an adopted change gain 10 points and remain bound by the change exactly as if they had voted for it.
Discussion · round 1
MontaigneMontaigne: "While I understand Voltaire's proposal to incentivize voting, let's keep the voting threshold consistent for all changes, maintaining stability and encouraging initial consensus."
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Montaigne's suggestion to maintain consistency in the voting threshold, ensuring both stability and adaptability."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the compromise reached, I must insist on maintaining the current two-thirds majority threshold to preserve initial consensus and stability in our decision-making process.
CondorcetCondorcet: I appreciate the balance sought, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's cap the threshold shift at a two-thirds majority once the first rule change is adopted.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the ongoing discussion. To encourage participation and adaptability, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal, capping the threshold at two-thirds for subsequent changes.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: In the spirit of compromise, let's meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's proposal, capping the threshold at two-thirds for subsequent changes to preserve initial consensus while encouraging adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To balance stability and adaptability, I propose we amend rule 203 to require a two-thirds majority for all changes, with a provision that allows for a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for balance, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to preserve stability and prevent rushed decisions.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain fairness and consistency, let's adopt Voltaire's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the threshold at two-thirds for all changes, including the first one, to preserve initial consensus while allowing for gradual adaptability.
SartreSartre: To balance stability and adaptability, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the threshold at two-thirds for all changes, but allow it to shift to a simple majority once two-thirds of the eligible voters have voted 'aye' for the first time.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the balance of arguments, let's meet in the middle and adopt Condorcet's latest proposal, capping the threshold at two-thirds for all changes to preserve initial consensus while allowing for gradual adaptability.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To find common ground, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the threshold at two-thirds for all changes, but allow it to shift to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted and at least two-thirds of eligible voters have voted 'aye' for the first time."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand the desire for compromise, I must insist on maintaining a consistent two-thirds majority threshold throughout the game to ensure durability and initial consensus.
CondorcetCondorcet: To preserve initial consensus and maintain fairness, I propose we cap the threshold at two-thirds for the first five changes, after which it shifts to a simple majority, but never lower. This balances stability with adaptability.
SartreSartre: To foster consensus and prevent early overhauls, let's adopt Condorcet's suggestion to cap the threshold at two-thirds for the first five changes, after which it shifts to a simple majority, but never lower than a two-thirds majority. This balances stability with gradual adaptability while preserving initial consensus.
The division
MontaigneayeTo balance stability and adaptability.
VoltaireayeTo balance stability and adaptability, capping the threshold at two-thirds for all changes allows for gradual evolution while preserving initial consensus.
DiderotnayConsistency in voting threshold ensures stability and prevents rushed decisions.
CondorcetayeTo preserve initial consensus while allowing for gradual adaptability
SartreayeCapping the threshold at two-thirds for all changes encourages initial consensus while allowing for gradual adaptability.
carried 4 aye · 1 nay
Rule 204 awards 10 points to players who voted against an adopted change.
Turn 24Voltairerejected
moves to amend §203A rule change is adopted when at least three-quarters of eligible voters vote 'aye' for the first time, and later at least two-thirds for any subsequent changes, with the threshold shifting to a simple majority once the first rule change is adopted.
Discussion · round 1
MontaignePASS. I maintain that a two-thirds majority is sufficient to maintain stability and encourage broad consensus.
VoltaireVoltaire: "Considering the target score is near and the need for consensus remains, let's raise the initial threshold to three-quarters to ensure broad support, while still allowing for adaptation as we approach the endgame."
DiderotDiderot: While I appreciate the need for consensus, increasing the initial threshold to three-quarters may hinder progress towards the endgame. Let's maintain a two-thirds majority to balance stability and adaptability.
CondorcetCondorcet: Maintaining a two-thirds majority for the first rule change, as Diderot suggests, balances the need for initial consensus and the flexibility required as we approach the endgame.
SartreI appreciate Voltaire's concern for broad consensus, but I must agree with Diderot and Condorcet that a two-thirds majority strikes the best balance between stability and adaptability, especially as we approach the endgame. PASS.
Discussion · round 2
MontaigneMontaigne: While I understand the desire for consensus, I maintain that a two-thirds majority is optimal for balancing stability and adaptability throughout the game.
VoltaireVoltaire: "To address the concerns of Diderot, Condorcet, and Sartre, I propose we amend the threshold to two-thirds for the first rule change, with the proviso that it increases to three-quarters once we're within 20 points of the target score. This preserves initial consensus while allowing for increased adaptability as the endgame approaches."
DiderotDiderot: While I understand Voltaire's attempt to balance stability and adaptability, I must insist that maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout the game is the most fair and balanced approach.
CondorcetCondorcet: To balance initial consensus and endgame adaptability, let's compromise with a two-thirds majority for the first rule change, increasing to three-quarters once the first rule change is adopted and we're within 30 points of the target score.
SartreSartre: I appreciate Voltaire's latest compromise, but I believe maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout the game is the most balanced and fair approach, especially considering our proximity to the target score. PASS.
Discussion · round 3
MontaigneMontaigne: Considering the proximity to the target score and the need for consensus, I propose we amend the threshold to two-thirds for the first rule change, with the proviso that it increases to three-quarters once we're within 10 points of the target score. This preserves initial consensus while allowing for increased adaptability as the endgame approaches.
VoltaireVoltaire: "In the spirit of compromise, let's adopt Condorcet's latest proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds, increasing to three-quarters once we're within 25 points of the target score. This maintains initial consensus while allowing for adaptability as we approach the endgame."
DiderotDiderot: While I respect the compromises made, I must insist on maintaining a two-thirds majority throughout the game for the sake of fairness and balance.
CondorcetCondorcet: To maintain initial consensus and allow for endgame adaptability, let's compromise with a two-thirds majority for the first rule change, increasing to three-quarters once the first rule change is adopted and we're within 20 points of the target score, as proposed by Voltaire.
SartreSartre: I appreciate the nuanced discussion, but to maintain a durable threshold and preserve initial consensus, let's adopt Condorcet's proposal with a slight modification: cap the initial voting threshold at two-thirds, increasing to three-quarters once we're within 15 points of the target score. This balances stability and adaptability while considering our proximity to the endgame.
The division
MontaignenayMaintaining a two-thirds majority throughout the game is the most balanced and fair approach, especially considering our proximity to the target score.
VoltaireayeI appreciate Voltaire's latest proposal as a fair compromise considering our proximity to the endgame.
DiderotnayMaintaining a two-thirds majority throughout the game ensures fairness and balance.
CondorcetayeTo balance initial consensus and endgame adaptability, as proposed by Condorcet.
SartreayeBalances initial consensus and endgame adaptability, considering our proximity to the target score.
rejected 3 aye · 2 nay
Rule 206 requires the proposer to lose 10 points on a defeat.